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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, a mental illness is a disease that causes suffering simply by having it such as is the case with schizophrenia or bi-polar disorders.The only mental suffering associated with dysphoria, anxiety, depression etc etc. comes from the social problems associated with it, the unnacceptance of the dysphorics true self by society at large.
    yeah. that's not the definition of a mental illness, JimL. It might be what you WANT the difference to be, but there is no difference. Just degrees. I know people who have serious mental illness who love being crazy. My schizoid friend would go off his meds because he liked the way he felt off of them. Said the meds made him cloudy. He is a programmer and could think much better and faster when not on the meds. And he said he felt euphoric, so he liked being crazy. It was like a drug itself to him. He once went off his drugs and ended up in Mexico and his brother had to go get him and bring him home. He once thought he was Maryln Monroe. He didn't "suffer" at all. He enjoyed his episodes! And bi-polar people only "suffer" when they are on the downside. When they are manic they love everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, a mental illness is a disease that causes suffering simply by having it such as is the case with schizophrenia or bi-polar disorders.The only mental suffering associated with dysphoria, anxiety, depression etc etc. comes from the social problems associated with it, the unnacceptance of the dysphorics true self by society at large.
    So you must be saying that "gender dysphoria" does not cause suffering simply by having it. If it does not cause suffering by having it then there is no need for treatment. You need to keep your argument somewhat self consistent instead of wavering around trying to cover all your irrationality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    So you must be saying that "gender dysphoria" does not cause suffering simply by having it. If it does not cause suffering by having it then there is no need for treatment. You need to keep your argument somewhat self consistent instead of wavering around trying to cover all your irrationality.
    No, I think that you just miscomprehend what I mean by that. The suffering caused by schizophrenia and Bi-polar for instance is mental anguish the source of which is the persons own mind, its not caused by external effects. The suffering of dysphorics, or people who mentally identify as opposite of their physical nature is caused by external social factors. Basically they suffer from depression and anxiety from the non-acceptance and bullying they receive, the source of which is external not internal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    . . . The suffering of dysphorics, or people who mentally identify as opposite of their physical nature is caused by . . .
    Identifying as the sex opposite of the reality of their sex is a purely mental problem. We have already eliminated physical causes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    No, I think that you just miscomprehend what I mean by that. The suffering caused by schizophrenia and Bi-polar for instance is mental anguish the source of which is the persons own mind, its not caused by external effects. The suffering of dysphorics, or people who mentally identify as opposite of their physical nature is caused by external social factors. Basically they suffer from depression and anxiety from the non-acceptance and bullying they receive, the source of which is external not internal.
    Ah so then, if everyone accepted that the person was trapped in the wrong body, then they would be happy stuck in the wrong body and would not suffer then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    so does agoraphobia. yet we treat agoraphobia to make it go away.
    There are people who want to be animals, JimL. I used chicken because I wanted to point out the ridiculousness of codding a mental aberration rather than trying to cure it.
    We are agreed, illnesses should be treated. That's why GD should be treated based on what doctors and scientists know works. Treating an illness is the opposite of coddling it. HRT/SRS are treatments, not coddling.

    it's really annoying when you just keep repeating nonsense with no scientific basis for it all all.
    You agreed that abnormal gene expression can result in abnormalities in the process of sexual dimorphism. That's the basis.

    They may feel like they are "born in the wrong body" but since we all only get one body, it is the right body. As long as there is nothing broken with the body, we don't need to fix it. The mind is the problem, we need to fix it. Not the body.
    Why do you think the abnormal gene expression that results in GD is different from any other abnormal gene expression that would result in what you qualify as "broken with the body"? I assume you would have no issue with someone born blind being made to see, or someone born with no legs being given artificial legs, or someone born intersex having SRS. What is your specific criteria for drawing a line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychic Missile View Post
    We are agreed, illnesses should be treated. That's why GD should be treated based on what doctors and scientists know works. Treating an illness is the opposite of coddling it. HRT/SRS are treatments, not coddling.
    repeat: No they are not. They are the equivalent of grafting feathers on someone who thinks he is a chicken and calling him cured.


    You agreed that abnormal gene expression can result in abnormalities in the process of sexual dimorphism. That's the basis.
    I said that genetic mutation can result in many physical and mental problems. The treatment is to remove the birth defect, or cure the illness, not to enhance the illness. If someone is born without arms, you don't chop off his legs. If someone is born with a mental illness, you help them adjust to their circumstances or medicate them or counsel them to cure the illness. You don't encourage someone who is bipolar to just go with it and have fun! You don't encourage an alcoholic to drink himself to death.


    Why do you think the abnormal gene expression that results in GD is different from any other abnormal gene expression that would result in what you qualify as "broken with the body"? I assume you would have no issue with someone born blind being made to see, or someone born with no legs being given artificial legs, or someone born intersex having SRS. What is your specific criteria for drawing a line?
    Giving someone who was born blind a way to see is fixing the problem. Making them normal. If someone is actually born with the wrong genitals, then yes, fix it. If they are biologically male with female genitals, fix it. But if they are male and just want to be female, like the majority of transsexuals, then treat the mental illness not the body. Again, the odds of hermaphrotitism is extremely rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    repeat: No they are not. They are the equivalent of grafting feathers on someone who thinks he is a chicken and calling him cured.

    I said that genetic mutation can result in many physical and mental problems. The treatment is to remove the birth defect, or cure the illness, not to enhance the illness. If someone is born without arms, you don't chop off his legs. If someone is born with a mental illness, you help them adjust to their circumstances or medicate them or counsel them to cure the illness. You don't encourage someone who is bipolar to just go with it and have fun! You don't encourage an alcoholic to drink himself to death.
    How do you know HRT/SRS aren't effective?

    Giving someone who was born blind a way to see is fixing the problem. Making them normal. If someone is actually born with the wrong genitals, then yes, fix it. If they are biologically male with female genitals, fix it. But if they are male and just want to be female, like the majority of transsexuals, then treat the mental illness not the body. Again, the odds of hermaphrotitism is extremely rare.
    So are you claiming that it is impossible for abnormal gene expression to result in an incongruity between the brain and body when it comes to sexual development? If so, how do you know this? If not, how do you know this isn't the case for transpeople?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychic Missile View Post
    How do you know HRT/SRS aren't effective?
    because they are not a cure. They are an affirmation of the mental aberration. You are making society change to fit the delusions of an individual instead of changing the individual to fit reality (with therapy).


    OK I am done here arguing the same thing over and over with you.

    Here you go: A woman who insists she is a cat born in the wrong body. "Species Dysphoria"



    Do you think society should have to take her seriously? Provide litter boxes for her at work and school? Heck make her even go to work? After all, she's a cat! She needs to be kept in an animal shelter till someone adopts her, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychic Missile View Post
    How do you know HRT/SRS aren't effective?



    So are you claiming that it is impossible for abnormal gene expression to result in an incongruity between the brain and body when it comes to sexual development? If so, how do you know this? If not, how do you know this isn't the case for transpeople?
    So far all we have is claims that this is so. The only so called evidence has been refuted.
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