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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIts obvious you didn't even look at these links. Where did you google them from? They don't prove what you claimed. Many are just abstract stubs. The second one is not even about transgendering but about anorexa in those that also are transgender. Well duh. A lot of times mental illness comes in groups. I am sure the guy who wants to be a chicken will be happier if he is treated like a chicken by society, and even gets his feathers. Does that mean the correct treatment is to turn him into a chicken? No.
The one about the androgen receptor? That is one of the RARE genetic defects I already mentioned. The body doesn't respond to testosterone and the male develops female secondary sexual characteristics and reduced male genitalia. It is pretty freaking rare and not something that you see in all cases as you were suggesting.
Your second genetic study:
"The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders defines transsexualism as the desire to be of the opposite sex or the assertion that one is of the sex opposite from the one assigned at birth (2). It is a rare condition, with incidence rates between 1:12,000 to 1:40,000 (3, 4). The etiology of transsexualism is unknown, but it has been speculated that the influence of sex steroids on early brain development may play an important role (5, 6). Transsexualism may also have a genetic component, based on rare reports of twin–twin concordance and families with several affected members (7). Chromosomal aberrations are not found at an increased rate among both male-to-female (MtF) and female-to-male (FtM) transsexuals based on a study in 30 and 31 affected individuals, respectively (8). In a small series of 29 Swedish MtF transsexuals, however, Henningsson et al. (9) observed an association between MtF transsexualism and a CA repeat polymorphism in the estrogen receptor (ER) beta gene.
At this point it is clear you are just trying to flood with argument by weblinks (which isn't allowed) and haven't even bothered to check your own links. Or maybe you just got a list of links from some other page. Either way, you have not proven anything you claimed.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostWhere is the evidence that gender dysphoria is based on abnormal gene expression and not some emotional reaction like other mental illnesses?
Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostAnd we all know that Psychiatrists and other doctors are immune to having any agenda that would make it worthwhile to be paid to do useless and harmful surgery.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo feeling like you are trapped in another body is not stressful or causes suffering? Great. then they don't need treatment. As long as society accepts them as women trapped in men's bodies or vice versa, they can live a normal life without surgery. And as far as I can tell, society accepts that a lot more than it accepts someone who has surgery. I mean how many men would want to date a "woman" who used to be a man? How many dates do you think Caitlin Jenner has gotten compared to Bruce Jenner? Bruce was accepted by society much more than Caitlin. And since society didn't even know about his affliction, they did not treat him badly at all. He was treated like a celebrity! So no suffering! After all you said the only suffering comes from outside, right? But now that he is a she, I bet she gets a lot more negative views and comments from society, which causes more suffering.Last edited by JimL; 01-16-2017, 07:22 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSociety didn't accept Bruce Jenner, society, like you, accepted the facade that Bruce Jenner portrayed in order that they accept him. Thats the source of the mental distress sufferred by dysphorics. If people were accdepted for who they are rather than having to play a specific role as dictatated to them by their physical gender and by society then there would be less suffering and less surgery. I believe that the reason behind ones decision for the surgury, the physical change, is because of the harshness on the part of society in regard to gender roles, the unacceptance and the bullying of people who don't fit into those mental, emotional, sexual orientation, societal norms.
Nice job JimL. Keep up the good work.
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