Harmony between the Bible and the Qur'an

[Sparko]

do you dare stand before God on the day of judgement and offer up the pitiful excuse that what you did in your life should be ignored because Jesus was a good man?

Jesus would not approve of people who instead of being good men themselves, prentended to be good vicariously through others.

yes we will get the righteousness of God because of our faith in Christ, not because we were "good" - there are none who are good. Our faith will justify us before God.

Romans 3

9What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. 10As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one;
11there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.

21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

[JAYMZ]

do you dare stand before God on the day of judgement and offer up the pitiful excuse that what you did in your life should be ignored because Jesus was a good man?

Jesus would not approve of people who instead of being good men themselves, prentended to be good vicariously through others.

See Barn, I have faith in Christ. That leads to the renewing of my heart and mind by the Holy Spirit. That leads to being able to actually serve God ( deeds ) out of gratitude for who God is and the salvation that I have received.

You are assuming christians dont have any good deeds to go with their faith in Christ.

You JUST have good works. A true christian will have faith AND works. You want to reject Christ and rest on your good works..

Heres one for you Barn, James 2:18-19.

[shunyadragon]

You JUST have good works. A true christian will have faith AND works. You want to reject Christ and rest on your good works..

Heres one for you Barn, James 2:18-19.

This is an unfortunate assumption of traditional Christians from their narrow ancient limited perspective. They have it and the rest of the world do not.

[Sparko]

This is an unfortunate assumption of traditional Christians from their narrow ancient limited perspective. They have it and the rest of the world do not.

right. and that is why we want to share it with you, so you can have "it" too. How narrow minded of us.

[RBerman]

This is an unfortunate assumption of traditional Christians from their narrow ancient limited perspective. They have it and the rest of the world do not.

So you don't believe that your view is more correct than mine is?

[JAYMZ]

This is an unfortunate assumption of traditional Christians from their narrow ancient limited perspective. They have it and the rest of the world do not.

Shuny, nobodies stoping you from trusting and serving Christ except yourself. We are not ( as christians ) trying to keep Gods love to ourselves.

You dont have it, because you dont want it. ( but I will pray that one day you do )

[barnasha]

See Barn, I have faith in Christ. That leads to the renewing of my heart and mind by the Holy Spirit. That leads to being able to actually serve God ( deeds ) out of gratitude for who God is and the salvation that I have received.

You are assuming christians dont have any good deeds to go with their faith in Christ.

You JUST have good works. A true christian will have faith AND works. You want to reject Christ and rest on your good works..

Heres one for you Barn, James 2:18-19.

You are the one assuming, assuming quite a lot about me and my faith.

All I said was Jesus can't be a good person for you, you have to be a good person yourself.

[JAYMZ]

You are the one assuming, assuming quite a lot about me and my faith.

All I said was Jesus can't be a good person for you, you have to be a good person yourself.

How good do you have to be ?

[JAYMZ]

You are the one assuming, assuming quite a lot about me and my faith.

All I said was Jesus can't be a good person for you, you have to be a good person yourself.

Barnasha, what do you put your faith in ?

[barnasha]

Barnasha, what do you put your faith in ?

what, in general ?

[JAYMZ]

You are the one assuming, assuming quite a lot about me and my faith.

All I said was Jesus can't be a good person for you, you have to be a good person yourself.

I was asking about the faith that you mentioned here.

[Sparko]

barny totallly ignored my post

[Dan Zebiri]

Barnasha,

Can you stop your pretentious questions and deal with Questions already posed to you for a very long time?? : Like HERE :

Barnasha,

First you try repeatedly to parade a falsehood - That 'Jesus never talked about His execution and death' WHILST He was on the earth - as 'fact'.

Then, you sneak away from the revelation that proves you wrong about this very thing!

Look here:

Anyway, barnasha doesn't get away with his foolhardy misrepresentations of the Scriptures.

'Difference of opinions' - Hardly!

On At least on THREE separate times Jesus Christ mentions about his impending death in all three Canonical Gospels.

Besides His mention of it in Matthew 16:21-26, Jesus Christ predicts his death by execution 3 times in Matthew 17:22-23

and

Matthew 20: 17-19.

Then the same references Jesus Christ makes to his impending death are ALSO repeated here :

in Mark 8:31-37,
Mark 9: 30-32,
Mark 10:32 - 34,
Luke 9:22-25,
Luke 9:43 - 45

and

Luke 18: 31-34.

The actual event and fulfilment of Jesus' predictions about his execution and death are found in all FOUR Gospels:

Matthew 26 : 47 - 56,
Mark 14 : 43 - 52
Luke 22 : 47 - 53

and

John 18 : 2 - 12.

Then, Jesus' actual death by the Roman execution method took place outside the city of Jerusalem within 1 to 1.5 years after His initial announcements and predictions IE, around A.D./CE 30.

Therefore, barnasha is really desperately MISRepresenting the facts about Jesus in the events of His actual death by crucifixion and His eventual resurrection 2,000 years ago. He tries to parade his speculations as facts but that falls flat as muslim polemics typically do.

This kind of selective reading and presenting of the Bible exposes barney's shallow and abysmal attempts to represent the real facts, and to twist it to fit islamic propoganda at any cost. Thats just a tragic reflection on him.

Dan.

Barnasha, why dont you honestly interact with the following, instaed of coming back later and pretend that you are right and repeat the above false assumption of yours - and the muslims too (in italics above!)

** Note: this post is directed to barnasha only to respond to.

what, in general ?

[barnasha]

barny totallly ignored my post

I apologize for that, I don't think it was intentional.

[Dan Zebiri]

And barnasha did absolutely the same ignoring response to much of mine, as usual!

Dan Z.

I apologize for that, I don't think it was intentional.