Is it ok to hit or beat wives ?

[michaelcollins]

I think the quoran defenders should say some passages are not meant to be understood.

I do not think anyone, Muslim or Christian should try and defend wife beating tappingor any form of physical violence.

If there is no room for the contradiction between the two you have yourselfs a moral delimma, could the writers of the quoran be wrong? could the wqriter have made a mistake? sure seems like it.

No defense of physical violence towards women, lets stop and all say, we won't beat our or anyone else's wifes, not only is it wrong, its against the law!

Next, no sex with goats or other non-consenting animals, lwets all agree on this, also lets not fly airplanes into buildings even if the biuilding contains the IRS, God whether Islamic or Christian know s if there si an organization that can drive men to fly planes into buildings its the irs.

[OneSizeFit]

I think the quoran defenders should say some passages are not meant to be understood.

I've heard similar arguments regarding the Trinity.

[yabadabadoo]

Their prophet married a six year old girl - a 52 year old man sexually forcing himself on a baby girl. I'm going to go and puke now (on a picture of Muhammad in my toilet).

[barnasha]

Glad that we have such vociferous critics of wife tapping out defending its poor victims around the world....

No defense of physical violence towards women, lets stop and all say, we won't beat our or anyone else's wifes, not only is it wrong, its against the law!

agree. against islamic law, and against any reasonable legal code in the world....

[OneSizeFit]

Their prophet married a six year old girl - a 52 year old man sexually forcing himself on a baby girl. I'm going to go and puke now (on a picture of Muhammad in my toilet).

I know Muslims will deny it, and I dont know why, but the authenticity of the Sahih Bukhari can be called into question. Muslims need a Martin Luther/Sola Scriptura movement.

[yabadabadoo]

I know Muslims will deny it, and I dont know why, but the authenticity of the Sahih Bukhari can be called into question. Muslims need a Martin Luther/Sola Scriptura movement.

I'm not sure I would advise a sola scriptura movement if the "scriptura" is the Koran (I think that's the problem we're dealing with now). I'd say they need an enlightenment rather than another religious revival. So rather than Martin Luther I'd hope to see a David Hume, Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, etc. The enlightenment saved Europe (it wasn't religious reformers, although there's a good argument that religious reform is the spark that lit the fuse, ultimately it was secularist rational thinkers who saved the day & were largely responsible for the liberties we enjoy today).

[OneSizeFit]

The Qu'ran is a beautiful book.

[barnasha]

I know Muslims will deny it, and I dont know why, but the authenticity of the Sahih Bukhari can be called into question. Muslims need a Martin Luther/Sola Scriptura movement.

authenticity is always relative. what's wrong with the hadeeth in sahih albuhkari?

[OneSizeFit]

Because it was put down in writing over 500 years after the death of the prophet. I see the beauty in the Qu'ran, not in the Hadeeth.

[theowarrior7]

Because it was put down in writing over 500 years after the death of the prophet. I see the beauty in the Qu'ran, not in the Hadeeth.

What beauty do you find in the Qu'ran? (Not a sarcastic remark, please don't take it that way.)

[OneSizeFit]

What beauty do you find in the Qu'ran? (Not a sarcastic remark, please don't take it that way.)

Have you read it? The pagan Arabs mistook Mohammad's religion for a Christian offshoot. God is merciful, forgiving and just. Thats the main message of the Qu'ran.

Do you know what God you worship through Christ? Did you know Jesus called God Elaw, or Alla? A middle eastern God...

OG Jews.

[theowarrior7]

Have you read it? God is merciful, forgiving and just. Thats the main message of the Qu'ran.

Do you know what God you worship through Christ? A middle eastern God...

OG Jews.

This is very, very true, I apologize, I have just never had the chance to read it ata ll.

[yabadabadoo]

The Qu'ran is a beautiful book.

The Qu'ran is a horror fiction (but then again so are most holy books).

[OneSizeFit]

Ok.

[OneSizeFit]

This is very, very true, I apologize, I have just never had the chance to read it ata ll.

Sorry if i came of abrasive, but as a Christian, I read the Qu'ran and really didnt see any conflicting views, beyond the view of Jesus being lifted up from is crucifixion instead of killed (Mohammad thought Jesus was to pure to die), I cant lie in general I was moved by the Qu'ran.