Ha ha: obama crashes and burns

[toodlesdoodles]

Hi, this is from Darth Executor:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

His rating has been slowly going down lately. I wonder why.

Here's a friendly tip for obama:

You want support for your crap plan and massive expansion? DO SOMETHING TO EARN IT. Nobody trusts politicians, especially in America where they are notoriously incompetent. You spent billions of dollars on an economic "stimulus" that hasn't done anything. FIX THE ECONOMY FIRST. Then you can tell people "hey guys, trust me, I know what I'm doing".

Of course, he won't do that, and he won't do that because there's nothing he can do about the economy. Him and his administration really are as incompetent as people think they are and since the option to earn people's trust is not available as a result, he'll just have to settle for punching it through while he still has congress.

[Pilgrim]

Your link is broken. Here's another one: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53294

[ApologiaPhoenix]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

Is this what you seek Toodles?

[Darth Executor]

It probably got ruined when Toodles copied it from the pm. here's the original:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

[Darth Executor]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

Is this what you seek Toodles?

It's my post, I just let her post it so she could get anti-spam points. apparently they don't give them for this section. Bleh.

[jgarden]

" Ha ha: obama crashes and burns" - toodlesdoodles

I wasn't aware that Obama had started any more American wars based on those "elusive" WMD.

[gharfish]

Hi, this is from Darth Executor:

You are a helper ! Yes :)


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[Cowthulu]

Obama seriously over-estimated his public mandate IMO.

[Macgawd]

Obama seriously over-estimated his public mandate IMO.

No, the public seriously overestimated Obama's experience and intent. Now that he's expected to actually lead, Obama is forced to expose his extraordinary inexperience, ignorance, and his radical leftist ideology. Lo and behold, the people don't like it.

=M=

[ApologiaPhoenix]

No, the public seriously overestimated Obama's experience and intent. Now that he's expected to actually lead, Obama is forced to expose his extraordinary inexperience, ignorance, and his radical leftist ideology. Lo and behold, the people don't like it.

=M=

Why couldn't it both this and that he over-estimated his mandate?

[Pilgrim]

Good point Nick.

The deeper issue, as I see it, is a little removed from party stuff. If you look back over the last 40 years you see that all presidents experience these abysmal numbers at some point in their terms. What concerns me is the nature of the American Body Politic as a whole. There seems to be little to no consensus on very important issues. The divide is right down the middle. No where do you see this better than in the supreme court where decisions are handed down pretty much straight down party lines.

What is is in us that won't allow for meaningful compromise or civil disagreement? I know I myself have gotten just so over heated at ideas coming from a different place than mine. But really, why? Every four years we get to try again and this is the way democracy works: trying find the will of the people and not becoming a cry baby when the majority thinks differently than we do. But what is it that makes our disagreement so visceral that presidents rarely get out the 5oth percentile in approval ratings?

As a general rule in accepting calls to a new congregations most pastors will say no if more than 1% of the congregation casts a no vote. You just can't get any meaningful work done with more than that at odds with your vision. So when I see presidents working with sometimes more than 50% against them I just shake my head and wonder why we can never get to a point of more consensus than we do. It's frustrating really and nothing changes. 8 years of dems or 8 years of republicans and the landscape seems pretty much the same. Nothing changes. Meet the new boss same as the old boss. Meet the angry opposition same as the old angry opposition...

[Darth Executor]

Umm, there's plenty of compromise. That's why America's in the crapper. Half-arsed legislation that's worse than pure liberalism or pure conservatism. Compromise is the equivalent of gluing half a monster truck to half a prius and wondering why it doesn't work.

[NeilUnreal]

I agree with Darth here. Of course, I'd pick the liberal side and he'd probably pick the conservative. But a lot of liberals are upset at the new administration because they felt like they did hand them a mandate, which that administration is acting as though it under-estimated.

But I think it's still possible for President Obama to pull off either that original mandate or make a good working compromise. He took the reigns of the presidency at a difficult time, and just needs to find his stride.

-Neil

[Macgawd]

But I think it's still possible for President Obama to pull off either that original mandate or make a good working compromise. He took the reigns of the presidency at a difficult time, and just needs to find his stride.

Except that Obama and the Democrats' idea of "compromise" is for the Republicans to compromise their own ideals, and simply get on board with whatever Obama and the Dems want to do. Despite the fact that the Republicans have offered several ideas for reasonable health care reform, the Democrats refuse to entertain any of them, and will not even allow them to be brought up in committee. As far as Obama's ability to compromise, his narcissistic refrain to those who oppose his ideas is simply "I won".

=M=

[Zero Tolerance]

Good point Nick.

The deeper issue, as I see it, is a little removed from party stuff. If you look back over the last 40 years you see that all presidents experience these abysmal numbers at some point in their terms. What concerns me is the nature of the American Body Politic as a whole. There seems to be little to no consensus on very important issues. The divide is right down the middle. No where do you see this better than in the supreme court where decisions are handed down pretty much straight down party lines.

What is is in us that won't allow for meaningful compromise or civil disagreement? I know I myself have gotten just so over heated at ideas coming from a different place than mine. But really, why? Every four years we get to try again and this is the way democracy works: trying find the will of the people and not becoming a cry baby when the majority thinks differently than we do. But what is it that makes our disagreement so visceral that presidents rarely get out the 5oth percentile in approval ratings?

As a general rule in accepting calls to a new congregations most pastors will say no if more than 1% of the congregation casts a no vote. You just can't get any meaningful work done with more than that at odds with your vision. So when I see presidents working with sometimes more than 50% against them I just shake my head and wonder why we can never get to a point of more consensus than we do. It's frustrating really and nothing changes. 8 years of dems or 8 years of republicans and the landscape seems pretty much the same. Nothing changes. Meet the new boss same as the old boss. Meet the angry opposition same as the old angry opposition...

I don't see a problem with diversity in thinking. I think moderation is better than extremes, because it allows for room to lean one way or another for balance when the the times deem it necessary.