The Last Judgement

[UrbanMonk]

In this thead, I argue that our own judgement initiates and maintains hell, and God's judgement brings hell to an end. To me, hell and "the world" are synonymous. When I say, "our own" judgement, I mean the kind of judgement that causes the prodigal Son to leave his home with his divine Father. This is the kind of judgement of which Jesus says, "Judge not". The kind of judgement that ends the world is the judgement of Christ represented by the Holy Spirit (the Good Shepherd), which separates the goat (scattering lie) from the sheep (gathering truth). When we give all our judgements (decisions) over to the Good Judge, we will come to the end of time, and to our Last Judgement. As we let God Judge us, we will be saved from our own judgements upon our Self, the Son of God, and return home. After the Last Judgement, there will be no more judgement. Why? Because judgement is not an attribute of the Kingdom of God. Everything in the Kingdom of God is true and valuable. There is no reason to judge between what is true and what else is true...or between what is valuable and what else is valuable. It's all true, all valuable, and all ours. And everyone is welcome. And everyone is predestined to hear our Last Judgement, given to our Father to judge, ie: "This is my beloved Son".

[MaxVel]

Urban - you are redefining your terms to mean something other than what they mean biblically.

IOW you sound like you are talking about Christianity, but because you have redefined all the terms, in fact you are not talking about Christianity at all.

What your post has to do with either Apologetics or Christianity therefore escapes me....

[UrbanMonk]

Urban - you are redefining your terms to mean something other than what they mean biblically.

IOW you sound like you are talking about Christianity, but because you have redefined all the terms, in fact you are not talking about Christianity at all.

What your post has to do with either Apologetics or Christianity therefore escapes me....

I'm defending the original, authentic teaching legacy of Jesus, back when it was called "the Way". The wane of the Way is symbolized by Stephen, and the wax of Christianity is symbolized by P(s)aul. P(s)aul held the coats of those who stoned Stephen to death. Like an omen. That's why I'm in Apologetics. 301 means its for advanced folk, so if it's a little beyond your comprehension at the moment I fully understand. It's ok.

What do you suppose Jesus meant when he said, "Judge not"? I have given a comprehensive interpretation of what that means, and what "Last Judgement" means in the context of a very reasonable, logical, consistent, and comprehensive argument. It does not matter if it doesn't align with the understanding of the ideological winners of a battle for mindshare between the legacy of "the Way" and the advent of an ever evolving Christianity in it's place. I'm simply restoring the original meanings in a way that finally makes sense.

[UrbanMonk]

What your post has to do with either Apologetics or Christianity therefore escapes me....

I'm challenging an old heresy that makes the Last Judgement an event to be feared. Before that, it was something to look foreward to with joy. Sure the sheep get separated from the goats, but if your not a goat, so what? Only a goat would be concerned about the outcome of God's judgement. The Son of God is not afraid, and if you are the Son of God, then, no problem! Sure, flesh and blood won't make the cut, but if you are Spirit, what does it matter?

The orthodoxy does not represent the Last Judgement truthfully. They can be forgiven because it's not readily understood by stubborn goat minds that just want to go their own way and scatter the flock. They are continually beating the Good Shepherd up so the flock will scatter. I am one who gathers with the Good Shepherd, and say to the sheep, "fear not".

Before the first judgement, there was not such thing as judgement. After the last judgement, there will be no more. Judgement is not an attribute of the World of God which will stand after the world of judgement has passed away. The very first judgement declared - against the truth - that separation was the truth. And this gave rise to a world in competition with the World of God which is One. And having judged this way, we have condemned ourselves to an existence apart, different, and ungodly. And if hell is separation from God, then we've made our hell by our judgements, and sleep with it by our judgements. Having become judges, we have become slaves to judgement. We cannot even cross the street without excercising some kind of judgement.

We judge 24/7/365. Only the judgement of the Good Shepherd can Guide us out of a land-o-judgement. To be guided, we must give up all self-initiated judgement , and switch over to Self initiated judgement. The Good Shepherd represents only our own true will, which we share with "Our Father". So, it's always a matter of what we really want, as opposed to what we thought we wanted, but not really. We don't really want to scatter...we want to gather.

This process of separating the sheep from the goats may take a million years. I'm not saying exactly. I'm just saying that it could be finished tommorrow if we weren't such goats. But all goats will be converted to sheep, and then the end will come. The very Last Judgement is of "Our Father": "This is my Son, who has all that I have". Of course, God does not speak words, but that's the jist of it. These are the same kind of words Jesus heard when he came up from baptism. The end of judgement is a function of the baptismal process. When we no longer judge against the Son of God, we wake up to the fact that we are the Son of God.

Who would dare judge these words are not wise?