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University of Wisconsin stands by 'Problem of Whiteness' course

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  • #31
    Oh no, a controversial university course! This is why we have academic freedom gentlemen. The course description that Bill posted looks 100% at home in a university level analysis of how whiteness is a social construct worldwide and even includes how most white people are suffering to boot on class/gender lines, just not racial ones.

    Honestly, Bill, you could probably stand to take the course yourself

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
      Oh no, a controversial university course! This is why we have academic freedom gentlemen. The course description that Bill posted looks 100% at home in a university level analysis of how whiteness is a social construct worldwide and even includes how most white people are suffering to boot on class/gender lines, just not racial ones.

      Honestly, Bill, you could probably stand to take the course yourself
      I take it you'd have no problem with a white supremacist teaching a course on biological differences between races then.
      "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

      There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
        I take it you'd have no problem with a white supremacist teaching a course on biological differences between races then.
        Is it "academic"?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
          Oh no, a controversial university course!
          A blatantly racist one taught by a blatant racist. No surprise you are all for it though...

          This is why we have academic freedom gentlemen.
          No we don't. See the several articles I cited above.

          The course description that Bill posted looks 100% at home in a university level analysis of how whiteness is a social construct worldwide and even includes how most white people are suffering to boot on class/gender lines, just not racial ones.
          If it were only that... "It explores how they consciously and unconsciously perpetuate institutional racism", which is a truckload of bull crap.

          Honestly, Bill, you could probably stand to take the course yourself
          I'd love to. I'd rip that Professor a new one.
          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

          I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
          - Stephen R. Donaldson

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          • #35
            Haha, go for it man. You work for the DoD, right? You have access to benefits for continuing education? Go for it, you have my full support!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
              Haha, go for it man. You work for the DoD, right? You have access to benefits for continuing education? Go for it, you have my full support!
              Alas, it's not in my area of work. I can only take IT classes. And it's not offered remotely. Wisconsin is quite a drive from Richmond.
              That's what
              - She

              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
              - Stephen R. Donaldson

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              • #37
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                'The Problem of Whiteness,' with the premise that white people are racist"
                Look again at the article-- that's how the course's critic (Murphy) characterizes it, not how the professor (Sajnani) describes the course. How do you know that this is not a strawman on the part of Murphy?
                Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                  Look again at the article-- that's how the course's critic (Murphy) characterizes it, not how the professor (Sajnani) describes the course. How do you know that this is not a strawman on the part of Murphy?
                  Read the course description from the Professor that I cited Spart. There's no other way to take it.
                  That's what
                  - She

                  Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                  - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                  I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                  - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                    Look again at the article-- that's how the course's critic (Murphy) characterizes it, not how the professor (Sajnani) describes the course. How do you know that this is not a strawman on the part of Murphy?
                    Just how stupid do you think we are? The title alone makes it clear it's anti-white racist garbage.
                    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                      Read the course description from the Professor that I cited Spart. There's no other way to take it.
                      "Have you ever wondered what it really means to be white? If you're like most people, the answer is probably 'no.' But here is your chance!," reads the course description.
                      "In this class, we will ask what an ethical white identity entails, what it means to be #woke, and consider the journal Race Traitor's motto, 'treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity.'"
                      The course description says it includes readings from W.E.B. Du Bois, Ta-Nehisi Coates and the professor's own article analyzing Rachel Dolezal.


                      Where is it asserted that to be white is to be racist?
                      Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                        Read the course description from the Professor that I cited Spart. There's no other way to take it.
                        If the course was named "The problem of blackness" or "the problem of arabness" there wouldn't be any debate about what its contents are or whether it should be taught.
                        "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                        There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                          "Have you ever wondered what it really means to be white? If you're like most people, the answer is probably 'no.' But here is your chance!," reads the course description.
                          "In this class, we will ask what an ethical white identity entails, what it means to be #woke, and consider the journal Race Traitor's motto, 'treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity.'"
                          The course description says it includes readings from W.E.B. Du Bois, Ta-Nehisi Coates and the professor's own article analyzing Rachel Dolezal.


                          Where is it asserted that to be white is to be racist?
                          are you playing dumb? bill posted the class description

                          Our class will break away from the standard US-centric frame, and consider how whiteness is constructed globally, with particular attention to paradigmatic cases like South Africa. Whereas disciplines such as Latino/a, African, and Asian American studies focus on race as experienced by non-whites, whiteness studies considers how race is experienced by white people. It explores how they consciously and unconsciously perpetuate institutional racism and how this not only devastates communities of color but also perpetuates the oppression of most white folks along the lines of class and gender.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            are you playing dumb? bill posted the class description

                            Our class will break away from the standard US-centric frame, and consider how whiteness is constructed globally, with particular attention to paradigmatic cases like South Africa. Whereas disciplines such as Latino/a, African, and Asian American studies focus on race as experienced by non-whites, whiteness studies considers how race is experienced by white people. It explores how they consciously and unconsciously perpetuate institutional racism and how this not only devastates communities of color but also perpetuates the oppression of most white folks along the lines of class and gender.
                            Ah, sorry: I missed that post. The only discussion of a course description I'd noticed was in the OP. Thanks for pointing it out.

                            But even in the context of the full course description, I don't even feel like it's a stretch to say that "institutional racism" is meaningfully distinct from segregation-era personal prejudice or eugenic theory.
                            Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                            • #44
                              If the course was renamed to "The problems of colonialism and the colonialist mindset" while retaining largely the same content, would that pass muster? Is mention of "whiteness" just a trigger-word for you guys for subjects that have been discussed by reasonable people for a century?
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                If the course was renamed to "The problems of colonialism and the colonialist mindset" while retaining largely the same content, would that pass muster?
                                No more than you changing your username would make your posts good.
                                "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                                There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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