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      Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan

      I think it says a lot about the pro-choice folks if they don't. Perhaps they're afraid of the obvious connection between killing unborn humans and killing the ones that survived gestation.

      And there are enough pro-choice people around here that we ought to see something.
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      Quote Originally posted by Pilgrim View Post
      I haven't seen it confirmed yet though it sure seems like it might have made him a likely target given the guys previous killing earlier in the day. I mean you're already a nut job who has killed someone and you're looking for an excuse to pop someone else right?
      I was referring to the first guy he shot.
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      Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan

      HAve a link to that?
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      Quote Originally posted by Pilgrim View Post
      HAve a link to that?
      http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...inessman-.html

      Drake was arrested at home about an hour later. Police said he stated he had also shot Fuoss.
      "The indication is that he had ill will ... a grudge against these three individuals," said Shiawassee County Prosecutor Randy Colbry. "The defendant was offended by the manner of Mr. Pouillon's message."
      "Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.

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      Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan

      I'm not trying to say the guy is not a fruit. And clearly he is evil. But the link doesn't say the issue with the first victim was abortion. It says the shooter had a grudge against these three guys. It doesn't say the grudge was in common. And it says that the issue with Pouillon was his anti abortion message. It does not say it was the same issue that drove him to murder the first guy.
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      Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan

      Quote Originally posted by Pilgrim View Post
      I'm not trying to say the guy is not a fruit. And clearly he is evil. But the link doesn't say the issue with the first victim was abortion. It says the shooter had a grudge against these three guys. It doesn't say the grudge was in common. And it says that the issue with Pouillon was his anti abortion message. It does not say it was the same issue that drove him to murder the first guy.
      Wasn't Pouillon the first guy? I think one of us is getting mixed up here.

      edit: and i think it's me. Anyway, I was referring to the abortion protester, just to be clear.
      "Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.

      The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.

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      Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan

      Fuoss was the first guy. The gravel contractor.
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      Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan

      Quote Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      Let’s see what sort of coverage this gets compared to the shooting death of George Tiller the abortionist shot in Kansas back in May.
      Comparing the coverage would be a valid comparison ... if the two situations were comparable. They are not. In the case of Scott Roeder, you have someone with several demonstrable reasons for not doing what he did--not the least of which was that the shooting was in a church. From the information so far available in the case of Harlan Drake, he wasn't an activist--he was simply a man who was offended, and who chose to do wrong because of that offense.

      Save for the fact that the victims died, there really is no comparison.

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      Quote Originally posted by Pilgrim View Post
      Fuoss was the first guy. The gravel contractor.
      Reports appear to be conflicting. From the Chicago Tribune:

      Anti-abortion activist and business owner slain


      Detectives suspect that after killing Pouillon, Harlan James Drake then headed to the gravel pit owned by Mike Fuoss, where they say he killed the well-known business owner who also had a stake in a popular area restaurant. Authorities have charged Drake with first-degree murder in the deaths.


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      [quote=Silent Running;2776925]Comparing the coverage would be a valid comparison ... if the two situations were comparable. They are not.[quote]

      Yes they are. They're both politically motivated killings. You're right that the situations are different (tiller got shot for murdering people, this guy got shot for waving an offensive sign around) but the differences you point out are completely irrelevant.

      In the case of Scott Roeder, you have someone with several demonstrable reasons for not doing what he did--not the least of which was that the shooting was in a church.
      It wasn't IN a church actually. Other than that, I'm not sure why this other guy had no demonstrable reasons for not doing what he did. Unless you don't think pro-choicers should be held to the same standards as everyone else.

      From the information so far available in the case of Harlan Drake, he wasn't an activist--he was simply a man who was offended, and who chose to do wrong because of that offense.
      What difference does it make if he was an activist or not?

      Save for the fact that the victims died, there really is no comparison.
      Yeah, even though they're politically motivated murders from two opposite sides, there really is no comparison. Right.
      "Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.

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      I did notice how, when the partial birth abortionist was killed, everyone jumped to the conclusion that he was killed because he ws an abortionist doctor. (yes, i know he was in fact shot for that reason, i am only pointing out how the media and the left jumped to the conclusion before all the facts of the case came out)
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      Quote Originally posted by themuzicman View Post
      I think it says a lot about the pro-choice folks if they don't. Perhaps they're afraid of the obvious connection between killing unborn humans and killing the ones that survived gestation.

      And there are enough pro-choice people around here that we ought to see something.
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      For the record, Yeah, muz, homicide is a bad thing, and if the guy is guilty, he should be put to death.....painfully.


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      Quote Originally posted by themusicman
      Perhaps they're afraid of the obvious connection between killing unborn humans and killing the ones that survived gestation.
      Yes, we secretly agree with you.

      And there are enough pro-choice people around here that we ought to see something.
      The guy killed someone- what do you expect us to do? Pat him on the back for slotting an anti-abortionist? Get a grip musicman.
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      I somewhat agree with the child murderers here. I found it extremely annoying when tiller got his retroactive abortion and pro-life groups felt it necessary to go out of their way to say they condemn the killing. Why is it that when some nut commits a politically motivated murder, others who happen to share his basic ideology have to go and practically apologize on the murderer's behalf?

      I don't care if Planned Parenthood or any other pro-choice group condemns this or not. I think they should all be put on trial Nuremberg style and then executed for the mass murders they've inflicted on the unborn and I'm not about to pretend I suddenly give a crap about their opinion on one tangentially related murder.
      "Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.

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      Quote Originally posted by Sheepdog View Post
      I did notice how, when the partial birth abortionist was killed, everyone jumped to the conclusion that he was killed because he ws an abortionist doctor. (yes, i know he was in fact shot for that reason, i am only pointing out how the media and the left jumped to the conclusion before all the facts of the case came out)
      Well that and the guys who shot him said that was the reason and he had had multiple attempts against his life. Doesn't seem like much of a jump really.
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