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September 12th 2009, 12:45 PM #16
Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
I think it says a lot about the pro-choice folks if they don't. Perhaps they're afraid of the obvious connection between killing unborn humans and killing the ones that survived gestation.
And there are enough pro-choice people around here that we ought to see something."... engage your brain before you engage your weapon." - Gen. James Mattis, USMC
I don't care how systematic your theology is until you show me how biblical it is.
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September 12th 2009, 01:01 PM #17
Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
"Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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September 12th 2009, 01:32 PM #18
Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
HAve a link to that?
"Yes, I'm quite concerned about health care issues surrounding leaked radiation from Japan. Now, please pass me my super sized, bacon double cheeseburger, combo meal..."
When I was young I admired clever people. Now that I'm older I admire kind people.~Rabbi Abraham Heschel
My most recent faith struggle is not one of intellect. I don't really do that anymore. Sooner or later you just figure out there are some guys who don't believe in God and they can prove He doesn't exist, and some other guys who can prove He does exist, and the argument stopped being about God a long time ago and now it's about who is smarter, and honestly, I don't care. ~ Don Miller Blue Like Jazz
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September 12th 2009, 01:34 PM #19
Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...inessman-.html
Drake was arrested at home about an hour later. Police said he stated he had also shot Fuoss.
"The indication is that he had ill will ... a grudge against these three individuals," said Shiawassee County Prosecutor Randy Colbry. "The defendant was offended by the manner of Mr. Pouillon's message.""Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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September 12th 2009, 01:42 PM #20
Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
I'm not trying to say the guy is not a fruit. And clearly he is evil. But the link doesn't say the issue with the first victim was abortion. It says the shooter had a grudge against these three guys. It doesn't say the grudge was in common. And it says that the issue with Pouillon was his anti abortion message. It does not say it was the same issue that drove him to murder the first guy.
"Yes, I'm quite concerned about health care issues surrounding leaked radiation from Japan. Now, please pass me my super sized, bacon double cheeseburger, combo meal..."
When I was young I admired clever people. Now that I'm older I admire kind people.~Rabbi Abraham Heschel
My most recent faith struggle is not one of intellect. I don't really do that anymore. Sooner or later you just figure out there are some guys who don't believe in God and they can prove He doesn't exist, and some other guys who can prove He does exist, and the argument stopped being about God a long time ago and now it's about who is smarter, and honestly, I don't care. ~ Don Miller Blue Like Jazz
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September 12th 2009, 01:48 PM #21
Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
"Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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September 12th 2009, 01:55 PM #22
Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
Fuoss was the first guy. The gravel contractor.
"Yes, I'm quite concerned about health care issues surrounding leaked radiation from Japan. Now, please pass me my super sized, bacon double cheeseburger, combo meal..."
When I was young I admired clever people. Now that I'm older I admire kind people.~Rabbi Abraham Heschel
My most recent faith struggle is not one of intellect. I don't really do that anymore. Sooner or later you just figure out there are some guys who don't believe in God and they can prove He doesn't exist, and some other guys who can prove He does exist, and the argument stopped being about God a long time ago and now it's about who is smarter, and honestly, I don't care. ~ Don Miller Blue Like Jazz
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September 12th 2009, 02:33 PM #23
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Undisclosed - WiccanRe: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
Comparing the coverage would be a valid comparison ... if the two situations were comparable. They are not. In the case of Scott Roeder, you have someone with several demonstrable reasons for not doing what he did--not the least of which was that the shooting was in a church. From the information so far available in the case of Harlan Drake, he wasn't an activist--he was simply a man who was offended, and who chose to do wrong because of that offense.
Save for the fact that the victims died, there really is no comparison.
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September 12th 2009, 03:22 PM #24
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September 12th 2009, 03:43 PM #25
Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
[quote=Silent Running;2776925]Comparing the coverage would be a valid comparison ... if the two situations were comparable. They are not.[quote]
Yes they are. They're both politically motivated killings. You're right that the situations are different (tiller got shot for murdering people, this guy got shot for waving an offensive sign around) but the differences you point out are completely irrelevant.
It wasn't IN a church actually. Other than that, I'm not sure why this other guy had no demonstrable reasons for not doing what he did. Unless you don't think pro-choicers should be held to the same standards as everyone else.In the case of Scott Roeder, you have someone with several demonstrable reasons for not doing what he did--not the least of which was that the shooting was in a church.
What difference does it make if he was an activist or not?From the information so far available in the case of Harlan Drake, he wasn't an activist--he was simply a man who was offended, and who chose to do wrong because of that offense.
Yeah, even though they're politically motivated murders from two opposite sides, there really is no comparison. Right.Save for the fact that the victims died, there really is no comparison.
"Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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September 13th 2009, 02:26 AM #26
Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
I did notice how, when the partial birth abortionist was killed, everyone jumped to the conclusion that he was killed because he ws an abortionist doctor. (yes, i know he was in fact shot for that reason, i am only pointing out how the media and the left jumped to the conclusion before all the facts of the case came out)
Living so free is a tragedy
When you can't be what you want to be
Living so free is a tragedy
When you can't see what you need to see
-- Powerman 5000, "Free"
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September 13th 2009, 10:51 AM #27
Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
If there exists a god, then god has the property of free will. It's not the case that god has the property of free will; therefore, it's not the case that there exists a god. [∃G→G(fw)]&~G(fw)∴~∃G
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September 13th 2009, 01:18 PM #28
Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
Yes, we secretly agree with you.
Originally posted by themusicman

The guy killed someone- what do you expect us to do? Pat him on the back for slotting an anti-abortionist? Get a grip musicman.And there are enough pro-choice people around here that we ought to see something.If triangles had a God, He'd have three sides.
In 1945 the USA unleashed an enormous amount of energy over Hiroshima and Nagasaki...
What did THAT big bang create..?
Did it create anything at all..?
No it didnt. - Some YEC Muppet
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September 13th 2009, 02:24 PM #29
Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
I somewhat agree with the child murderers here. I found it extremely annoying when tiller got his retroactive abortion and pro-life groups felt it necessary to go out of their way to say they condemn the killing. Why is it that when some nut commits a politically motivated murder, others who happen to share his basic ideology have to go and practically apologize on the murderer's behalf?
I don't care if Planned Parenthood or any other pro-choice group condemns this or not. I think they should all be put on trial Nuremberg style and then executed for the mass murders they've inflicted on the unborn and I'm not about to pretend I suddenly give a crap about their opinion on one tangentially related murder."Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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September 13th 2009, 05:11 PM #30
Re: Pro-Lifer protestor shot & killed in Michigan
"Yes, I'm quite concerned about health care issues surrounding leaked radiation from Japan. Now, please pass me my super sized, bacon double cheeseburger, combo meal..."
When I was young I admired clever people. Now that I'm older I admire kind people.~Rabbi Abraham Heschel
My most recent faith struggle is not one of intellect. I don't really do that anymore. Sooner or later you just figure out there are some guys who don't believe in God and they can prove He doesn't exist, and some other guys who can prove He does exist, and the argument stopped being about God a long time ago and now it's about who is smarter, and honestly, I don't care. ~ Don Miller Blue Like Jazz
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