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  • #16
    Originally posted by Seve View Post
    The Mystical Union of God....

    A mystical union is one that God made, one of which marriage becomes one flesh, based on the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven... it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

    One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, when the husband and wife are called One (echad) Flesh by God. The use of the Hebrew word "echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

    Gen 2
    v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
    V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

    And this mystical union of marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - a Collective One that is.

    Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

    We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity not in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

    Another example:

    “There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Mystical Union). 1John 5:7

    Therefore, the Triune of God is One in Unity... not in Numeric Number..... A Mystical Union Of God, indeed.

    Just My Biblical Opinion, of course.

    God bless

    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    "the only God physically formed?"

    So you think there are more than one God?
    The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are individually called / described as God by the Scripture. The Three Individual God are United as One (echad) Lord; One Spirit that proceeded from the Father in a Mystical Union made from Heaven - The True Biblical version of Trinity.

    John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

    John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father,*even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

    God bless

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    • #17
      So you think they are three gods that act as one?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        So you think they are three gods that act as one?
        No.... They are three individual Gods that act in a perfect harmony - United as One God - (collective One, that is).

        1 Sam 4
        v7 And the Philistines were afraid, for they said, God is come into the camp. And they said, Woe unto us! for there hath not been such a thing heretofore.

        v8 Woe unto us! who shall deliver us out of the hand of these mighty Gods? these are the Gods that smote the Egyptians with all the plagues in the wilderness.


        God bless

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        • #19
          No the trinity is One God revealed in three PERSONS- not 3 gods

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            No the trinity is One God revealed in three PERSONS- not 3 gods
            Your traditional version of "Trinity" is Unscriptural and based only on ancient goat herder wild imagination of men - Just my Biblical Opinion of course. Sorry.


            God bless

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Seve View Post
              No.... They are three individual Gods that act in a perfect harmony - United as One God - (collective One, that is).

              1 Sam 4
              v7 And the Philistines were afraid, for they said, God is come into the camp. And they said, Woe unto us! for there hath not been such a thing heretofore.

              v8 Woe unto us! who shall deliver us out of the hand of these mighty Gods? these are the Gods that smote the Egyptians with all the plagues in the wilderness.


              God bless
              Heresy.
              Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Seve View Post
                The Mystical Union of God....

                A mystical union is one that God made, one of which marriage becomes one flesh, based on the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven... it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

                One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, when the husband and wife are called One (echad) Flesh by God. The use of the Hebrew word "echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

                Gen 2
                v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
                V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

                And this mystical union of marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - a Collective One that is.

                Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

                We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity not in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

                Another example:

                “There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Mystical Union). 1John 5:7

                Therefore, the Triune of God is One in Unity... not in Numeric Number..... A Mystical Union Of God, indeed.

                Just My Biblical Opinion, of course.

                God bless

                Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                Heresy.
                Jesus said:

                Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

                God bless

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Seve View Post
                  Jesus said:

                  Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

                  God bless


                  If you do not believe in the traditionial Trinity (i.e the Biblical Trinity) you need to change your faith designation from Christian to Christian(Unorthodox).

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post


                    If you do not believe in the traditionial Trinity (i.e the Biblical Trinity) you need to change your faith designation from Christian to Christian(Unorthodox).
                    If he's not even a monotheist, he has no business even claiming the unorthodox side of Christian, in my view.
                    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                      If he's not even a monotheist, he has no business even claiming the unorthodox side of Christian, in my view.
                      Perhaps you're right. In my opinion being a polytheistic "Christian" isn't much "worse" of a heresy than being a Unitarian "Christian" though. It's not like I've thought very deeply about the issue though.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post


                        If you do not believe in the traditionial Trinity (i.e the Biblical Trinity) you need to change your faith designation from Christian to Christian(Unorthodox).
                        Unfortunately, it is your man made traditional understanding of the "Trinity" that is flawed and not supported by the Scripture.

                        I believe the true version of the Trinity according to the Scripture.... THE MYSTICAL UNION OF GOD AS ONE (echad) LORD..... but NOT your ancient traditional doctrinal faith regarding the same.

                        Also, perhaps, you did not fully understand the meaning of the cited text I posted before.... Let me again post it for your further study.

                        John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with Thine Own Self with the Glory which I had with Thee BEFORE the world was.

                        Clearly, the text is documenting us that the Father has his Own Self Being separate from the Son even BEFORE the world was..... soon AFTER the Son was brought forth (begotten) into this physical world from the invisible realm of his Father.



                        God bless
                        Last edited by Seve; 01-11-2017, 04:30 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Moderated By: Bill the Cat

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