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  • Will Obama pardon Clinton?

    Will Obama pardon Clinton?

    That's an interesting question, to which we should know the answer in a couple weeks.

    This article, however, raises an even more interesting question - Will Clinton accept?

    In the interesting case of George Wilson - United States v. Wilson, 32 U.S. 150 Vol. 32 (1833) - a pardon was granted, but the intended recipient refused to accept it.
    A pardon is a deed, to the validity of which delivery is essential, and delivery is not complete without acceptance. It may then be rejected by the person to whom it is tendered, and if it be rejected, we have discovered no power in a court to force it on him. It may be supposed that no being condemned to death would reject a pardon, but the rule must be the same in capital cases and in misdemeanors.

    Do you think Obama will pardon Clinton?
    Do you think Clinton will accept?
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

  • #2
    I suppose it depends on whether or not they think Trump will push for prosecution. A pardon will probably be a last resort because it will be a black mark on both their records since it will be an implicit admission that she's guilty.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #3
      Trump really should've leveraged that particular sword of Damocles against Obama.

      "Don't do anything I wouldn't do or the witch gets it."
      "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

      There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        I suppose it depends on whether or not they think Trump will push for prosecution.
        Yeah, and nobody knows that, unless Obama and Trump have some kind of deal.

        A pardon will probably be a last resort because it will be a black mark on both their records since it will be an implicit admission that she's guilty.
        That's the gist of the article - if Obama pardons, there's the suggestion she must have been guilty to need a pardon.
        If she accepts, there's the implication that she knows it.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
          Trump really should've leveraged that particular sword of Damocles against Obama.

          "Don't do anything I wouldn't do or the witch gets it."
          I did not laugh at that.


          No, I didn't.


          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            I suppose it depends on whether or not they think Trump will push for prosecution. A pardon will probably be a last resort because it will be a black mark on both their records since it will be an implicit admission that she's guilty.
            I don't think he will need to, since it has been reopened by the district court in DC.
            That's what
            - She

            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
            - Stephen R. Donaldson

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
              I don't think he will need to, since it has been reopened by the district court in DC.
              It may dribble on endlessly like the ill-fated Benghazi enquiry, but the manufactured shock/horror emails have done their job. They were just part of the Hillary narrative designed to discredit her and they succeeded to the extent that her opponent won...despite Trump losing the popular vote by greater margin than any US President in history.
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • #8
                I like how liberals frame Trup losing the popular vote as a demerit to Trump when in reality Hillary won the popular vote by campaigning in big liberal states she already had in the bag and forgot to campaign in Wisconsin and Michigan where the EVs actually were. Evidence of Hillary's abject stupidity and general incompetence is taken as a fault of her opponent.
                "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                  I like how liberals frame Trup losing the popular vote as a demerit to Trump when in reality Hillary won the popular vote by campaigning in big liberal states she already had in the bag and forgot to campaign in Wisconsin and Michigan where the EVs actually were. Evidence of Hillary's abject stupidity and general incompetence is taken as a fault of her opponent.
                  Those against the electoral college say it encourages candidates to focus on only a few states. The irony is that this is precisely why Hillary lost. It was Trump's broad appeal to a majority of the states that propelled him to a commanding victory.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                    It may dribble on endlessly like the ill-fated Benghazi enquiry, but the manufactured shock/horror emails have done their job. They were just part of the Hillary narrative designed to discredit her and they succeeded to the extent that her opponent won...despite Trump losing the popular vote by greater margin than any US President in history.
                    The Benghazi hearings were a combination of feckless Republicans who didn't seem to really want answers, and a successful cover-up by the Obama administration which spun so many lies and contradicting narratives that we're still not sure exactly what happened. But we do know that for months, Hillary repeatedly refused to act on requests for increased security (a clear dereliction of duty), that she and Barack were AWOL on the night of the attack (to date, nobody has ever given a clear account of their whereabouts, but the information suggests that Obama was getting a good night's sleep so he would be well-rested for his swanky Vegas fundraiser the next day), and they lied to the American people by blaming the attack on an obscure YouTube video instead of calling it what it was: a terrorist attack. Things are a bit hazy beyond that.

                    As for Hillary's email, any competent prosector could easily get a conviction based on Comey's testimony alone.
                    Last edited by Mountain Man; 12-28-2016, 07:09 AM.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                      I like how liberals frame Trup losing the popular vote as a demerit to Trump when in reality Hillary won the popular vote by campaigning in big liberal states she already had in the bag and forgot to campaign in Wisconsin and Michigan where the EVs actually were. Evidence of Hillary's abject stupidity and general incompetence is taken as a fault of her opponent.
                      Wrong, actually the internal polling had Clinton up in all of the battleground states to the point where her campaign was actually focusing on typically red states like Arizona and Georgia in order to increase her popular vote lead. After Comey violated the Hatch act by chiming in about e-mails found on Anthony Weiners computer which could have, but turned out not to, implicate Clinton, and Trumps slanderous use of that non-information in his campaign, the internal polling started to shift in Trumps direction. She ended up losing the battle ground states by razor thin margins, while increasing her popular vote margin, which ended up to be nearly 3 million vote margin, in part due to the increased tally in some red states. To argue that she only won the popular vote because she only campaigned in big liberal states like California is just dumb. Obviously if Trump had won 3 million more votes in states, whether big or little states, throughout the country then Clinton wouldn't have won the popular vote, but he didn't, she did.
                      Last edited by JimL; 12-28-2016, 08:13 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JimL View Post
                        Wrong, actually the internal polling...
                        ...was so screwed up it led Clinton the false conclusion she could win without going after the white working class. Bill tried to tell her, but it was yet another ginormous judgment errors on her part.

                        She lost.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13

                          Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                          It may dribble on endlessly like the ill-fated Benghazi enquiry, but the manufactured shock/horror emails have done their job....

                          "manufactured"?

                          Yeah, that was a strong component of the campaign, right? "These emails are all just totally made up!" They exposed the darkness of the Democratic soul.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                            I like how liberals frame Trup losing the popular vote as a demerit to Trump when in reality Hillary won the popular vote by campaigning in big liberal states she already had in the bag and forgot to campaign in Wisconsin and Michigan where the EVs actually were. Evidence of Hillary's abject stupidity and general incompetence is taken as a fault of her opponent.
                            Bill tried to tell her!
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              ...was so screwed up it led Clinton the false conclusion she could win without going after the white working class. Bill tried to tell her, but it was yet another ginormous judgment errors on her part.

                              She lost.
                              Indeed. Hillary's internal polling was apparently based on outdated turnout models and a mistaken belief that Republican voters would reject Trump.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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