Jesus approved of Genesis and ...

[headheart]

I noticed that there is a thread in the U.T. Forum about the canon of Scripture and it got me thinking.
How many passages do you know in the Bible which refer to:

A. Books that are not included in the Canon...?

B. Books that are included in the Canon...?

Like in my title, I know that Jesus endorsed passages in Genesis, Deuteronomy, the Psalms ... ( but which ones ?)

Part of Rabbinical style of quoting a passage and referring to a whole section, is also an endorsement. Peter approved of Paul's writing to be Scripture and so on.

So how about it, how many passages ( ie. OT - Genesis ref. NT - Matthew , with chapter and verse do you know of. )

I think this might be fun...if it catches on, if not have a lovely weekend.

Peace.
HH

[Obsidian]

Jude briefly mentions the Book of Enoch, but not in a way that necessarily implies the entire Book of Enoch to be factual. Imo, the Book of Enoch could not possibly be factual because all of Enoch's possessions would have been destroyed by the Flood. (Or does the Book of Enoch claim that Enoch returned after the flood at some point? I haven't actually read it.)

[headheart]

Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him." 16These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

NIV - Jude

There is also a reference to 'Adam'.
Who knows exactly what 'Noah' took along with him ? I read somewhere that he had the original skins that were worn by Adam and Eve.

I read 'Enoch' some years ago, and I remember that it moved me.

There is considerably more, but time is not on my side today.

I would be interested to look at the passages that Jesus refers to during his time of testing in the wilderness. I remember that our Lord quoted Deuteronomy (?) and Psalm 91

This thread is about specific passages in these books.


Take care and have a good weekend.

HH

[Obsidian]

I read 'Enoch' some years ago, and I remember that it moved me.

Does it say where it came from? Did Enoch write it before the Flood, or did he come back later and write it, or what?

[headheart]

It has been quite a while since I read 'The Books of Enoch', but if you like I can send you a copy. In the meantime I am going to have a closer look some commentaries on Jude 15 + Jude 16

I have 'The Book of Jasher' as well, but as of yet not had time to read it.

"Is not this written in the Book of Jasher?" Joshua 10:13
"Behold it is written in the Book of Jasher." 2 Samuel 1:18

I must also have a look at the passages that Jesus quotes from the O.T while he was in the wilderness resisting the devil.

Sincerely,
HH

[headheart]

Add: #1

The passage is from Matthew 4:1-11 Can you spot the O.T. Books that are being referred to ?
Sincerely,
HH

[OneSizeFit]

Hi all, Jesus seems to have had copies of The Book of Wisdom and Sirach handy. Bascially the Lord's Prayer is pieced together from sayings in these books. They are in the Septuagint and the Catholic Bible I believe.

Copy and pasted from another site -

What Jesus teaches us is nothing new. It only seems new because of the perversion of the religious leaders of his time. Actually almost all of what Jesus teaches comes from Moses and the Old Testament. Even the Lords Prayer, the Our Father, is a collection of Old Testament scriptures. Jesus teaches, with perfection, Old Testament scriptures which bear God's law of love.

NAB SIR 28:1

The vengeful will suffer the LORD's vengeance, for he remembers their sins in detail. Forgive your neighbor's injustice; then when you pray, your own sins will be forgiven. Should a man nourish anger against his fellows and expect healing from the LORD? Should a man refuse mercy to his fellows, yet seek pardon for his sins? If he who is but flesh cherishes wrath, who will forgive his sins? Remember decay, and cease from sin! Think of the commandments, hate not your neighbor; of the Most High's covenant, and overlook faults.

NAB MAT 6:11

"...and forgive us the wrong we have done as we forgive those who wrong us."

NAB MAT 6:14

"If you forgive the faults of others, your heavenly Father will forgive you yours. If you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive you."

Jesus as man studied and taught Old Testament scriptures and Jesus as God inspired Old Testament scriptures.

When Jesus says "peace be with you" he is not speaking of peace as in a lack of physical war. He is telling us that where in sin we are at war with God, Jesus now brings peace between us and God.

NAB ROM 5:1

Now that we have been justified by faith, we are at peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have gained access by faith to the grace in which we now stand, and we boast of our hope for the glory of God.

NAB WIS 14:22

Then it was not enough for them to err in their knowledge of God; but even though they lived in a great war of ignorance, they called such evils peace. for while they celebrate either childslaying sacrifices or clandestine mysteries, or frenzied carousals in unheard of rites, They no longer safeguard either lives or pure wedlock; but each either waylays and kills his neighbor, or aggrieves him by adultery. And all is confusion-- blood and murder, theft and guile, corruption, faithlessness, turmoil, perjury,...

NAB JOH 14:27

"'Peace is my farewell to you, my Peace is my gift to you; I do not give it to you as the world gives Peace."

NAB MAT 6:9

"This is how you are to pray: 'Our Father in heaven hallowed be your name,...'"

NAB SIR 51:10

I called out: O LORD, you are my father, you are my champion and my savior; Do not abandon me in time of trouble, in the midst of storms and dangers. I will ever praise your name and be constant in my prayers to you.

The Lord's prayer continued.

"'...your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.'"

NAB WIS 6:17

For the first step toward discipline is a very earnest desire for her; then, care for discipline is love of her; love means the keeping of her laws; To observe her laws is the basis for incorruptibility; and incorruptibility makes one close to God; thus the desire for Wisdom leads up to a kingdom.

The Lord's prayer continued.

"'Give us today our daily bread,...'"

NAB PRO 30:8

(provide me only with the food I need;)

The Lord's prayer continued.

"...and forgive us the wrong we have done as we forgive those who wrong us."

NAB MAT 6:14

"If you forgive the faults of others, your heavenly Father will forgive you yours. If you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive you."

NAB SIR 28:1

The vengeful will suffer the LORD's vengeance, for he remembers their sins in detail. Forgive your neighbor's injustice; then when you pray, your own sins will be forgiven. Should a man nourish anger against his fellows and expect healing from the LORD? Should a man refuse mercy to his fellows, yet seek pardon for his sins? If he who is but flesh cherishes wrath, who will forgive his sins? Remember decay, and cease from sin! Think of the commandments, hate not your neighbor; of the Most High's covenant, and overlook faults.

The Lord's prayer continued.

"'Subject us not to trial but deliver us from the evil one.'"

NAB SIR 28:2

You have saved me from death, and kept back my body from the pit, From the clutches of the nether world you have snatched my feet; you have delivered me, in your great mercy, From the scourge of the slanderous tonge, and from lips that went over to falsehood; From the snare of those who watched for my downfall, and from the power of those who sought my life; From many a danger you have saved me, from the flames that hemmed me in on every side; From the midst of unremitting fire, from the deep belly of the nether world; From deceiving lips and painters of lies, from the arrows of dishonest tongues. I was at the point of death, my soul was nearing the depths of the nether world; I turned every way, but there was no one to help me, I looked for one to sustain me, but could find no one. But then I remembered the mercies of the LORD, his kindness through ages past; For he saves those who take refuge in him, and rescues them from every evil. (SIR 23:1-6)

The biblical books of Sirach and Wisdom are saturated with Jesus' finger prints. Jesus in the form of God inspired them and Jesus in the form of man preached from them. Jesus pulled the Lord's Prayer out of the book of Wisdom and Sirach. When you buy a bible, be sure that the books of Sirach and Wisdom are in it.

Another Link -

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0107fea2.asp

[headheart]

Thanks for your comment OSF. I will give it a closer read in the morning. Peace, HH.