Amen and the unity of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam

[Nick Ginex]

Hello Everyone,

I look forward to communicating with people who have an open mind and wish to learn more about God. As a young boy, I had always wondered about God and became interested enough to subconsciously absorb peices of information to bring myself to an understanding about God.

Not to belabor a long biography of myself, I would like to indicate why I am reaching out to you. I am a devoted follower of the new command pronounced by Jesus Christ in John's Gospel - love one another. Our world is presently confused with how we perceive God. As an example, worshippers of the Judaic, Christian, and Islamic religions all pray to the same God, and yet, they are divided in their belief in that same God.

Religious leaders of these three faiths are concerned in the power and establishment of their religion and strongly insist on their worshippers avoiding the house of worship of their competitors. This reality is a sad one, for it is the religious leaders themselves who have, in fact, divided or separated their people from others who subscribe to another religious faith.

As a result of religious leaders not providing the Truth of the past and ignoring the words of Jesus Christ, I have authored a book entitled, "Future of God Amen". You may view a Press Release of the book by enterng the title in a Search on the Internet.

In addition, you may find out more about the book by visiting my website:

• Edited by a Moderator •

To give you and your readers a topic to ponder and discuss, I would like to obtain feedback on what Jesus Christ said in Revelation 3:14, "These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God."

It is amazing that Judaic, Christian, and Islamic worshippers announce Amen at the end of a prayer, supplication, or thanks of a requested outcome; yet, few of these worsippers know that Amen was the greatest Egyptian God for over 2,000 years before the birth of Christ.

Perhaps, we should not fault religious leaders for their ignorance about the past because the hieroglyphic code was broken less than 200 years ago and Egyptologists have decipered what was written on Egyptian tombs and temples only since the early 1900s. However, there is no excuse for religious leaders to ignore the words of Jesus Christ and misinterpret Amen as being "So be it."

What do you think Jesus meant in Revelation 3:13 and 3:14? Nick:

[Kelp]

Hi, I moved your thread to a more appropriate forum and I started a welcome thread for you. http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...d.php?t=132631

[Nick Ginex]

Dear Kelp,

I appreciate your rules for not referring to books written or advertising a book. You certainly can omit references to mt book in my "Hello to your people".

However, I believe that you are restricting knowledge, even when that knowledge is advocated by Jesus Christ.

I would love to participate in your forums to inform your followers about the Word of God. However, you first must show that you are willing to discuss what Jesus meant in Revelation of the New Testament, 3:14,

These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God."

It you can provide an answer and initiate a discussion about what Jesus said in 3:14, then I can procede to engage with your people. If not, I truly believe that you do not seriously believe in understanding Jesus and only wish to ignore his profound words.

If you are an honest and faithful man, who is willing to open your mind to evidence from the past and the truthfulness of Jesus, then I will be willing to share with you knowledge that our modern civilization sorely needs.

Until then, may God bless you,

Nick Ginex

[Kelp]

Dear Kelp,

I appreciate your rules for not referring to books written or advertising a book. You certainly can omit references to mt book in my "Hello to your people".

However, I believe that you are restricting knowledge, even when that knowledge is advocated by Jesus Christ.

I would love to participate in your forums to inform your followers about the Word of God. However, you first must show that you are willing to discuss what Jesus meant in Revelation of the New Testament, 3:14,

These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God."

It you can provide an answer and initiate a discussion about what Jesus said in 3:14, then I can procede to engage with your people. If not, I truly believe that you do not seriously believe in understanding Jesus and only wish to ignore his profound words.

If you are an honest and faithful man, who is willing to open your mind to evidence from the past and the truthfulness of Jesus, then I will be willing to share with you knowledge that our modern civilization sorely needs.

Until then, may God bless you,

Nick Ginex

First of all, I'm not the owner of this site and I have no "followers".

Second, you can still advertise your book in your signature and on your profile; the admin who sent you the message may have forgotten to mention that, sorry.

Third, there are plenty of people here who are willing to discuss you thesis. Our rule is to prevent people from using our site as a platform to increase the exposure of their product. We have no wish to censor, which is why we allow signature and profile advertising.

In the future, please don't discuss moderation within the thread it occurred in. If you still have a complaint, you may start a thread in the "Psychotherapy Room" sub-forum.

God bless.

[RBerman]

It is amazing that Judaic, Christian, and Islamic worshippers announce Amen at the end of a prayer, supplication, or thanks of a requested outcome; yet, few of these worsippers know that Amen was the greatest Egyptian God for over 2,000 years before the birth of Christ.

You appear to be committing a "false cognate" fallacy here, one which is even discussed on the Wikipedia page for "Amen."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen

[OneSizeFit]

Shameless plug, LOL.

[Vivian]

Hello Everyone,

I look forward to communicating with people who have an open mind and wish to learn more about God. As a young boy, I had always wondered about God and became interested enough to subconsciously absorb peices of information to bring myself to an understanding about God.

Not to belabor a long biography of myself, I would like to indicate why I am reaching out to you. I am a devoted follower of the new command pronounced by Jesus Christ in John's Gospel - love one another. Our world is presently confused with how we perceive God. As an example, worshippers of the Judaic, Christian, and Islamic religions all pray to the same God, and yet, they are divided in their belief in that same God.

Religious leaders of these three faiths are concerned in the power and establishment of their religion and strongly insist on their worshippers avoiding the house of worship of their competitors. This reality is a sad one, for it is the religious leaders themselves who have, in fact, divided or separated their people from others who subscribe to another religious faith.

As a result of religious leaders not providing the Truth of the past and ignoring the words of Jesus Christ, I have authored a book entitled, "Future of God Amen". You may view a Press Release of the book by enterng the title in a Search on the Internet.

In addition, you may find out more about the book by visiting my website:

www.futureofgodamem.com

To give you and your readers a topic to ponder and discuss, I would like to obtain feedback on what Jesus Christ said in Revelation 3:14, "These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God."

It is amazing that Judaic, Christian, and Islamic worshippers announce Amen at the end of a prayer, supplication, or thanks of a requested outcome; yet, few of these worsippers know that Amen was the greatest Egyptian God for over 2,000 years before the birth of Christ.

Perhaps, we should not fault religious leaders for their ignorance about the past because the hieroglyphic code was broken less than 200 years ago and Egyptologists have decipered what was written on Egyptian tombs and temples only since the early 1900s. However, there is no excuse for religious leaders to ignore the words of Jesus Christ and misinterpret Amen as being "So be it."

What do you think Jesus meant in Revelation 3:13 and 3:14? Nick:

Hello Nick and welcome to Tweb!

I always appreciate those who have a hunger to search for deeper meaning and greater understanding, themselves, without simply accepting what they are told.

I think many people have heard of the Egyptian god to whom you are referring but most have know him by Amon. I had to look him up myself, forgetting who he is, but found that he is known as a or the hidden God? Very nice!

You might recall that Paul in Acts talks the Romans about their representation of this hidden or unknown God, saying that now this God can be known - through Yeshua!

I have found that there is nothing new 'under' the sun, meaning that there is nothing here that has not already been discovered known, seen. And so likewise, your discovery and book is not new news!

Counter to those who are intolerant for religions outside their own, since all that is was created in and by and through this Amen, there is nothing that man can think of or comprise or deduce or define that is outside of the Amen, that is not included in the Amen, so every single idea about God or not God or anything that we could possibly imagine with the human mind is contained in God, so all cultures' ideas about God represent something of God - and I am not the only one saying this. Even the Egyptian gods are contained within the Ultimate God. So it is not surprising to find ideas within differing traditions that match or correspond.

The idea of a hidden God is found in many spiritual traditions! And logic tells us that there is something to this. Something of God that is hidden from our perception. Just as there is something of God that is seen in any and all things of creation!

Anyway. If you hunger for the truth might I advise that you never assume you have found IT with any discovery, but use your discoveries to point the way to greater wisdom and understanding, which I might add already exists in this world, just hidden from most.

Shalom.

Viv

[Nick Ginex]

Thank you Viv for your response.

It is good to see that you are a strong believer in the Christian faith. My purpose is not to deter you from your beliefs because those beliefs define who you are and are willing to defend your convictions.

I believe in Jesus Christ and I would hope that instead of directing me to a quote by Paul you would try to give me your understanding of what Jesus said in Revelation 3:14. As the Son of God, who delivers God's Word, he ranks over Paul.

[Vivian]

Thank you Viv for your response.

It is good to see that you are a strong believer in the Christian faith. My purpose is not to deter you from your beliefs because those beliefs define who you are and are willing to defend your convictions.

I believe in Jesus Christ and I would hope that instead of directing me to a quote by Paul you would try to give me your understanding of what Jesus said in Revelation 3:14. As the Son of God, who delivers God's Word, he ranks over Paul.

Greetings Nick!

Perhaps I lack in communication skills but I was hoping you would see that at least on some level, I agree with you, as did Apostle Paul!

My understanding of Revelation 3:14 would probably exceed what you are looking for here. I too see Amen as meaning much more than simply 'so be it'. It see it as reflecting an affirmation of the means whereby what has been stated will 'so be'. My understanding of God and Creation is not linear, but perhaps I can engage a discussion with some linear imagery.

I do agree that there is a hidden or concealed aspect of God and a revealed aspect. From my learning and experience this hidden aspect is not knowable except through what Jesus in John 17 describes as we in the Father, versus the Father in us. Such though is way beyond this thread.

As far as Revelation 3:14...

And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:

I would say that the Amen is not referring to that part of God which is concealed, but that part which is revealed - the Faithful and True Witness. The Faithful and True Witness to what? One might ask. I would say to that aspect of God which is concealed. And so the Amen is the revealed aspect of God, giving witness in creation of that which is concealed.

This is what else is said about this Faithful and True Witness in Revelation:

These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars:
These things says He who is holy, He who is true, “He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens”:
These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands:
These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:
These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword:
These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:

All things describing God revealed in creation - the Logos.

And I would equate this to Jesus saying, if you know me you will know the Father - in other words, I am the Faithful and True Witness of the Father.

Now I do not know the Egyptain Gods well, nor have I read your book, so cannot compare or contrast this idea to what is presented there. But to summarize my ideas, I would say that Amen is referring to the aspect of God revealed in creation, the Faithful and True Witness in whom is the Power to accomplish all things!


Shalom.

Viv

[Eeset-Shadowgrl]

Hello Nick. I did google for your book and at first found nothing. You really should place the link in your signature line. When I switched from the title to googling your name I found it.

I certainly have not read your book but I am intrigued to know more. Ancient Egypt is something I do know a few things about that you may not have yet discovered in your research.

Why did you pose a question based on the last book of the Bible and not the first? Moses was, after all, an heir to the throne of Egypt before he went into exile.

[Tanakh Keeper]

I look forward to communicating with people who have an open mind and wish to learn more about God. As a young boy, I had always wondered about God and became interested enough to subconsciously absorb peices of information to bring myself to an understanding about God.

Welcome! What form of communication do you desire? Would you rather lecture us about your beliefs or engage in an exchange of differing beliefs?

You aren’t unique in absorbing information about G-d, everyone does that. It is all part of our life, circumstances, and experiences that shape our beliefs.

Not to belabor a long biography of myself, I would like to indicate why I am reaching out to you. I am a devoted follower of the new command pronounced by Jesus Christ in John's Gospel - love one another. Our world is presently confused with how we perceive God. As an example, worshippers of the Judaic, Christian, and Islamic religions all pray to the same God, and yet, they are divided in their belief in that same God.

I don’t think people are confused with how they perceive G-d, people generally have good basis for their beliefs. It would be more accurate to say that people have different ways that they perceive G-d. Being different is not the same thing as being confused.

Also, it isn’t clear that all the three religions mentioned pray to the same god. As the gods worshipped differ, it is natural that the religious practices differ.

Religious leaders of these three faiths are concerned in the power and establishment of their religion and strongly insist on their worshippers avoiding the house of worship of their competitors.

Practitioners of Judaism avoid going into churches so as not to engage in, and not to have the appearance of engaging in, idol worship.

It is amazing that Judaic, Christian, and Islamic worshippers announce Amen at the end of a prayer, supplication, or thanks of a requested outcome; yet, few of these worsippers know that Amen was the greatest Egyptian God for over 2,000 years before the birth of Christ.

Actually, amen at the end of our prayers means “Truly”.

[harlan]

Religious leaders of these three faiths are concerned in the power and establishment of their religion and strongly insist on their worshippers avoiding the house of worship of their competitors.

Hi Nick,

I feel the same as you concerning the fear of being with people of other faiths. My wife and I made sure that our kids were familiar with all faiths and actually visited their houses of worship. But this was actually encouraged by our sacred scriptures found in the Baha'i writings. My wife grew up a Buddhist and I a Christian and we met after we had both had become a part of the Baha'i Faith. This is a world religion whose main objective is to unite mankind, eliminate prejudices and create harmony between all faiths. I think that this lack of harmony is what you're speaking of. And yes, we do believe in Jesus and the Bible. The people of Jesus' time had a hard time understanding Him and that's still probably true. Why else would Christians be so divided in their understanding?

Harlan

[Vivian]

Welcome! What form of communication do you desire? Would you rather lecture us about your beliefs or engage in an exchange of differing beliefs?

You aren’t unique in absorbing information about G-d, everyone does that. It is all part of our life, circumstances, and experiences that shape our beliefs.



I don’t think people are confused with how they perceive G-d, people generally have good basis for their beliefs. It would be more accurate to say that people have different ways that they perceive G-d. Being different is not the same thing as being confused.

Also, it isn’t clear that all the three religions mentioned pray to the same god. As the gods worshipped differ, it is natural that the religious practices differ.



Practitioners of Judaism avoid going into churches so as not to engage in, and not to have the appearance of engaging in, idol worship.



Actually, amen at the end of our prayers means “Truly”.

Hi Tanakh Keeper!

There are a couple of points here I agree with.

There is way more to Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, than what is most known. There are mystical or hidden/concealed aspects of each of these traditions. The tradition I follow uses both Christian mysticism and Judaic mysticism as an outer form or descriptive vehicle of our understandings.

In other words there are many many differing layers and levels of these three religious practices, which together have probably discovered all that man can possible discover or name or define, etc, regarding spirituality. I would say that they all point towards the same God - some just stop short!

So it is always best if we forever remain a 'student'.

And I agree with Amen meaning truly, or truth - for at the heart of Messiah, or the Highest essence of Messiah, is what many traditions call Truth. So Amen can mean truly - or Truth will make it so!

Shalom.

Viv

[Nick Ginex]

Originally posted by Tanakh Keeper
Welcome! What form of communication do you desire? Would you rather lecture us about your beliefs or engage in an exchange of differing beliefs?

You aren’t unique in absorbing information about G-d, everyone does that. It is all part of our life, circumstances, and experiences that shape our beliefs.



I don’t think people are confused with how they perceive G-d, people generally have good basis for their beliefs. It would be more accurate to say that people have different ways that they perceive G-d. Being different is not the same thing as being confused.

Also, it isn’t clear that all the three religions mentioned pray to the same god. As the gods worshipped differ, it is natural that the religious practices differ.



Practitioners of Judaism avoid going into churches so as not to engage in, and not to have the appearance of engaging in, idol worship.



Actually, amen at the end of our prayers means “Truly”.


Dear Tanakh Keeper,

My intent is not to lecture you but to reveal what questions I would like honest and loving people assist me in finding the answers. As an open forum, we are trying to learn from one another and only by the Socratic method can we learn from honest and open discussions.

I do not advocate that any religion is better than the other. I believe that God has introduced Himself to various groups of people at different times and in different places (countries) depending upon their need to accept the belief in one God.

If you truly believe in God, you must know He is the SAME God of the Judaic, Christian, and Islamic religions except that He is worshipped differently due to the Scriptures that have been cast in concrete. People who believe their Scripture is pure and do not need revision are living in a cage. A cage that prevents them from further growth and understanding whereby they insulate themselves from learning about God.

There is much for we humans to understand about God. Only through an understanding of the TRUTH about the past can theology and science advance on a parallel course in our quest to know God. Are you afriad to understand what Jesus means when he proclaimed that Amen is, "the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God?

Try to understand the words of Jesus rather than hide behind the words of men who are not knowledgable about the past or refuse to allow others to explore the past. Could they be avoiding truths that challenge their beliefs?

Nick Ginex

[Nick Ginex]

Hello Harlan,

Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately, the Tweb has restricted my ability to reach out to Christians because their organizers believe my faith or beliefs are not in line with theirs.

Therefore I will be terminating my membership with this website. You may continue to correspond with me by writing to my e-mail address: • Edited by a Moderator •

It is very possible that the Tweb leadership do not want the views that I have presented in my website (refer to my Profile) or what I have revealed in an Internet search, which may be accessed by searching: Future of God Amen.

I, like you, subscribe to the idea of a spiritual God that is responsible of all there is and His presence prevades the universe. The creatures of God, need to aspire to the words given by Jesus as the New Command. He said three times in John's Gospel, "love one another."

When people, from all nations come to realize that we are all sisters and brothers, we will be able to reach a truer understanding of God.

Thank you Harlan for your response.

Nick Ginex

Religious leaders of these three faiths are concerned in the power and establishment of their religion and strongly insist on their worshippers avoiding the house of worship of their competitors.

Hi Nick,

I feel the same as you concerning the fear of being with people of other faiths. My wife and I made sure that our kids were familiar with all faiths and actually visited their houses of worship. But this was actually encouraged by our sacred scriptures found in the Baha'i writings. My wife grew up a Buddhist and I a Christian and we met after we had both had become a part of the Baha'i Faith. This is a world religion whose main objective is to unite mankind, eliminate prejudices and create harmony between all faiths. I think that this lack of harmony is what you're speaking of. And yes, we do believe in Jesus and the Bible. The people of Jesus' time had a hard time understanding Him and that's still probably true. Why else would Christians be so divided in their understanding?

Harlan