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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIn the context of this discussion “viability” is when the fetus can survive outside the womb (albeit with medical assistance).
No it is not. The brain pattern is the "actual human person". Before it develops there is no “human person”.
Until viability it’s not an “independent member of our species” at all, this is the point. ‘Independent’ is defined as: “not dependent; not depending or contingent upon something else for existence”.
Yes, they are “advanced specific functions of cells of our species" and they are non-existent during the first trimester when the vast majority of abortions are performed. Again, potential brain cell activity is not actual brain cell activity.
"What gets aborted" in the vast majority of cases is an insensate fetus during the first trimester.
With regard to “rights” the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision says that the human fetus is not a "person" under the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution and therefore does not have a constitutional “right to life”.
This Act explicitly contains a provision excepting abortion. It states that the bill cannot be construed to permit the prosecution of any person for conduct relating to an abortion...”That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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“If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.” – Florynce Kennedy
Christians looking for abortion services might start by looking up the National Abortion Federation.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View Post“If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.” – Florynce Kennedy
“Stupidity isn't punishable by death. If it was, there would be a hell of a population drop.”
― Laurell K. Hamilton, The Laughing Corpse
Christians looking for abortion services might start by looking up the National Abortion Federation.
-- Apostle Paul, 2nd letter to the CorinthiansThat's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAh, so you're having a problem with linguistics, eh? OK, on what day of development, scientifically, does the baby transition from "insensate fetus" to "not at risk? You kinda dodged that.
Abortion stops a beating heart, Tazzy. I know it may be cliche, but it's also indisputable fact.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe legal distinction as to when life begins is not a philosophical judgement such as is the religious distinction. The legal distinction is based on the science which in this case isn't conclusive since science can not make that determination conclusively. What the ancients may have thought is irrelevant.
I'll ask you the saems thing i've asked tass what change happens in the DNA at your arbitrary cut off.Last edited by RumTumTugger; 01-05-2017, 12:52 PM.
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Originally posted by TheWall View PostHow could a human not be a person?That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by TheWall View PostHow could a human not be a person?Last edited by RumTumTugger; 01-05-2017, 12:39 PM.
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostAsk Tass, starlight and the rest of those who think it is ok to kill an innocent human being before it is out of the womb. and in the case of Starlight months after birth. they think it is ok to dehumanize the weakest members of our species against all Scientific evidence.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/de...on/human_being
So, you’re not a human being until you can speak and stand up!“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by TheWall View PostHow could a human not be a person?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by TheWall View PostHow could a human not be a person?“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View Posthuman being: A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/de...on/human_being
So, you’re not a human being until you can speak and stand up!
it is funny that the ones falsely accusing BTC and others here of not being scientific and using philosophy are the ones guilty of using philosophy and ignoring Science.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post... homosexual sex isn't sin.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostAt long last! Congratulations.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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