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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    So, "Progressive Secular Humanist" says Mike Pence is a "Radical Christian Extremist". Stop the Presses. News of the Century!

    Here, however, is where you and your religion of secular humanism are intellectually and morally bankrupt, Tazzy....
    Where Mike Pence and his ilk are morally bankrupt is in propagating anti-science lies by refusing to accept the fact of evolution or climate change...and teaching such religion-based ignorance to innocent children.

    Pence is a “conservative Christian nightmare” who rejects the separation of church and state, and places his Christian faith above the U.S. Constitution” and this includes denying already established rights for LGBT citizens. Pence is a rabid homophobe, like so many lovers of Jesus...not that Jesus ever mentioned homosexuality.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progres...ian-extremist/

    Anti-Women

    Pence is anti-women. Pence supports so-called personhood bills that would criminalize abortion nationwide. In addition, Right Wing Watch reports Pence has spearheaded congressional efforts to defund Planned Parenthood, even if it meant shutting down the government; signed anti-abortion measures into law in Indiana; and rallied opposition to President Obama’s effort to roll back prohibitions on stem-cell research.


    The fact that Pence doesn't want the murder of millions of babies, at least half of whom would turn out to be WOMEN if they weren't murdered, doesn't make him "anti-women". It makes him anti abortion.

    The fact that you trumpet this lie shows what a twisted moral compass you have
    The “twisted” and highly judgemental compass is yours alone, not mine. Aborting insensate fetuses does not equate to your hysterical lie about “murdering millions of babies”. Get a grip! As well, Pence’s proposal to defund Planned Parenthood will remove many important services to women which are not abortion-related at all, so Pence's stance does in fact make him anti women. But I’m sure that your “twisted moral compass” could care less about women’s’ health...it's your "murdering of innocent babies" that warrants the hysteria, not fully adult women and their family planning.
    Last edited by Tassman; 12-23-2016, 10:35 PM.
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    Aborting insensate fetuses does not equate to your hysterical lie about “murdering millions of babies”. .
    That's exactly what abortion is, Tazzy.
    That's what
    - She

    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
    - Stephen R. Donaldson

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
      That's exactly what abortion is, Tazzy.
      Certainly not! “Murder” is against the law whereas abortion, within certain confines, is lawful.
      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        Certainly not! “Murder” is against the law whereas abortion, within certain confines, is lawful.
        That doesn't mean squat when it comes to what actually happens. That they are termed differently and enforced based on the terms is completely immaterial to the practice itself.
        That's what
        - She

        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
        - Stephen R. Donaldson

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tassman View Post
          Where Mike Pence and his ilk are morally bankrupt is in propagating anti-science lies by refusing to accept the fact of evolution or climate change...and teaching such religion-based ignorance to innocent children.
          How do you know he doesn't actually believe what he's saying? If he actually believes it, he's not lying.

          Pence is a “conservative Christian nightmare” who rejects the separation of church and state, and places his Christian faith above the U.S. Constitution” and this includes denying already established rights for LGBT citizens. Pence is a rabid homophobe, like so many lovers of Jesus...not that Jesus ever mentioned homosexuality.
          Wow. And I bet you'll offer a biased source for this.

          And there it is.

          The “twisted” and highly judgemental compass is yours alone, not mine. Aborting insensate fetuses does not equate to your hysterical lie about “murdering millions of babies”.
          Yeah, look at your hysteria.

          Get a grip! As well, Pence’s proposal to defund Planned Parenthood will remove many important services to women which are not abortion-related at all, so Pence's stance does in fact make him anti women.
          No, it doesn't. That's rabid anti-Christian hysteria on your part. (see how that works?)

          But I’m sure that your “twisted moral compass” could care less about women’s’ health...
          Well, let's see, I have a wife, two daughters, two granddaughters....

          it's your "murdering of innocent babies" that warrants the hysteria, not fully adult women and their family planning.
          100% of women on the planet today were, at one time, as you describe it, "insensate fetuses". That's the only source for women. To destroy the "insensate fetuses" destroys women.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
            That doesn't mean squat when it comes to what actually happens. That they are termed differently and enforced based on the terms is completely immaterial to the practice itself.
            They're only termed differently so liberals can "get away with murder". I think the fact that Tazzy is so passionate about this is suppressed guilt.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
              That doesn't mean squat when it comes to what actually happens. That they are termed differently and enforced based on the terms is completely immaterial to the practice itself.
              You’re incorrectly equating “murder” and “innocent babies”, with aborting insensate fetuses. Your hysterical sensationalism is in effect diminishing your own argument (such as it is).
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                You’re incorrectly equating “murder” and “innocent babies”, with aborting insensate fetuses. Your hysterical sensationalism is in effect diminishing your own argument (such as it is).
                The only hysteria here is you blowing a gasket when we talk about the murder of innocent babies. It's like your hot button.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tassman
                  It's emotive nonsense, and incorrect terminology, presumably designed to heap guilt upon women already facing a difficult decision. Interesting that, typically, you project your own deficiencies onto your opponent.
                  We had a 3 month old baby in our Congregation on Christmas Sunday morning. It's remarkable, because the baby was born 4 months premature, and was not expected to live. While we were praying for this baby, you'd be telling the mother "oh, don't worry, it's just a insensate fetus."

                  Baby and mother are doing well. Father would slap your big empty head into next week.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    The only hysteria here is you blowing a gasket when we talk about the murder of innocent babies. It's like your hot button.
                    Its emotive, incorrect terminology, presumably designed to heap guilt upon women already facing a difficult decision.
                    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                      Its emotive, incorrect terminology, presumably designed to heap guilt upon women already facing a difficult decision.
                      Hehehe.... tried to tone down your jackassery a bit, eh? It's OK, I answered the post you tried to delete.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        We had a 3 month old baby in our Congregation on Christmas Sunday morning. It's remarkable, because the baby was born 4 months premature, and was not expected to live.
                        This typically sentimental and emotive argument has nothing to do with the abortion debate. The law states that abortions are to be restricted to the first trimester except in specific circumstances. So your 4 month premature baby was never at risk.

                        While we were praying for this baby, you'd be telling the mother "oh, don't worry, it's just a insensate fetus."

                        Baby and mother are doing well. Father would slap your big empty head into next week.
                        And you think I’d be saying that do you? You Evangelicals are a riot.
                        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                          This typically sentimental and emotive argument has nothing to do with the abortion debate. The law states that abortions are to be restricted to the first trimester except in specific circumstances. So your 4 month premature baby was never at risk.
                          So, on what magic day of development does the baby go from "insensate fetus" to "not at risk"? And, would that be at midnight on that day, or noon? Maybe 3 PM?
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            So, on what magic day of development does the baby go from "insensate fetus" to "not at risk"? And, would that be at midnight on that day, or noon? Maybe 3 PM?
                            Certainly not before the fetus has a functioning brain and brain activity begins fairly consistently around the end of the second trimester.

                            BTW: There is no "magic" in naturalism, I'll leave that sort of thing to you lot.
                            “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                              Certainly not before the fetus has a functioning brain and brain activity begins fairly consistently around the end of the second trimester.

                              BTW: There is no "magic" in naturalism, I'll leave that sort of thing to you lot.
                              Ah, so you're having a problem with linguistics, eh? OK, on what day of development, scientifically, does the baby transition from "insensate fetus" to "not at risk? You kinda dodged that.

                              Abortion stops a beating heart, Tazzy. I know it may be cliche, but it's also indisputable fact.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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