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A great grandmother has been praying to Elrond thinking he was Saint Anthony
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I am a great uncle (my eldest niece has two boys)Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThis is actually 'specialer' than that. It was not ALLOWED to be used outside the Temple at all, at the penalty of being 'cut off' from the congregation.
Exodus 30:31 Say to the Israelites, ‘This is to be my sacred anointing oil for the generations to come.
32 Do not pour it on anyone else’s body and do not make any other oil using the same formula. It is sacred, and you are to consider it sacred.
33 Whoever makes perfume like it and puts it on anyone other than a priest must be cut off from their people.’
It's a pretty interesting study.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostI pray to no man made figurine, nor do I pray to any mere human, dead or alive.
In this blog post (and in the comments) New Testament Professor Larry Hurtado pointed out how that, though Paul typically prays to God the father in his epistles, on a few clear occasions he also prays to Jesus.
Jesus is also pictured as recipient of prayers in some NT texts. Mainly, of course, the NT depicts prayers as addressed to God. But in several cases Jesus is recipient or co-recipient. The most common instance seems to have been the corporate acclamation/invocation by which the corporate worship event was constituted, which involved a “calling upon” Jesus. Likewise, in early Christian baptism, one called upon Jesus, invoking him over the baptized person. Indeed, in 1 Cor. 1:2 Paul refers to fellow believers simply as those who everywhere “call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Perhaps our earliest reference, however, is 1 Thess. 3:11-13, where God and Jesus are jointly called upon to enable Paul to re-visit the Thessalonian church. Other instances can be cited (e.g., 2 Thess. 2:16-17), and in 2 Cor. 12:6-10 Paul refers to his repeated appeals to Jesus to relieve him of the “thorn in the flesh.” The oft-cited “maranatha” in 1 Cor. 16:22 indicates that the liturgical invocation of Jesus was practiced in Aramaic-speaking circles of believers as well as in Greek-speaking circles.
Personally, I usually pray in the name of Jesus, but it doesn't seem completely out there to pray to Jesus. I thought that was interesting. What are your thoughts?
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI meant it as a joke of course.
But speaking of praying to humans.
In this blog post (and in the comments) New Testament Professor Larry Hurtado pointed out how that, though Paul typically prays to God the father in his epistles, on a few clear occasions he also prays to Jesus.
Jesus is also pictured as recipient of prayers in some NT texts. Mainly, of course, the NT depicts prayers as addressed to God. But in several cases Jesus is recipient or co-recipient. The most common instance seems to have been the corporate acclamation/invocation by which the corporate worship event was constituted, which involved a calling upon Jesus. Likewise, in early Christian baptism, one called upon Jesus, invoking him over the baptized person. Indeed, in 1 Cor. 1:2 Paul refers to fellow believers simply as those who everywhere call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Perhaps our earliest reference, however, is 1 Thess. 3:11-13, where God and Jesus are jointly called upon to enable Paul to re-visit the Thessalonian church. Other instances can be cited (e.g., 2 Thess. 2:16-17), and in 2 Cor. 12:6-10 Paul refers to his repeated appeals to Jesus to relieve him of the thorn in the flesh. The oft-cited maranatha in 1 Cor. 16:22 indicates that the liturgical invocation of Jesus was practiced in Aramaic-speaking circles of believers as well as in Greek-speaking circles.
Personally, I usually pray in the name of Jesus, but it doesn't seem completely out there to pray to Jesus. I thought that was interesting. What are your thoughts?
Most of my own prayer is directed to the Father, and like you, I pray asking in Jesus name. I think I need to pray MORE to Christ and the Spirit, though.
A funny thing that has happened since The Girl came along......I am so used to closing my prayer with, "in Jesus' name", that my husband pointed out to me that I was doing the same in my simple prayers with her.
So, "Dear Jesus..........in Jesus' name, amen".
Nothing wrong with it, but he thinks it might be confusing to the girlie, so I just try to end with a simple amen.Last edited by mossrose; 05-18-2022, 11:40 AM.
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Originally posted by Adrift View Posthttp://www.independent.ie/entertainm...-35343480.html
A great grandmother has accidentally been praying to a Lord of the Rings figure, thinking it was Saint Anthony.
The discovery was made by a woman whose daughter's great grandmother prays to the figurine each day.
Upon inspection, however, the woman, who lives in Brazil, realised that the figurine was of Elrond, an elf from Lord of the Rings, and not Saint Anthony.
She posted the realisation to Facebook, and it has since gone viral with over 3.5k shares.
"The funniest discovery of 2016," she wrote.
When Elrond and Saint Anthony are compared to each other, we can kind of see how she got confused. Kind of.
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Originally posted by Raphael View PostI am a great uncle (my eldest niece has two boys)
And a pretty good great uncle as well.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostGot you best. I am a great great aunt.
My eldest great niece has two boys.
Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSupposedly a number of people have confused pictures of Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan Kenobi for pictures of Jesus.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]20384[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]20385[/ATTACH]We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore on Christ's behalf: 'Be reconciled to God!!'- 2 Corinthians 5:20.
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Originally posted by Adrift View Post"Pray" is actually the word the Brazilian granddaughter-in-law, Gabriela Brandão uses. "A bisavó da minha filha reza pra esse Santo Antônio todos os dias/My daughter's great-grandmother prays to this Saint Anthony every day". In my experiences, especially among the poor lay Catholics I knew growing up in a Portuguese and Irish neighborhood in New England, the distinction between praying to a figurine/statue, and using a figurine/statue as a devotional aid was fuzzy at best. I know there's official Church doctrine on the subject that goes into it in depth, but the lines seem to get crossed a bit in the pew.
I don't have a problem with someone saying the phrase "praying to" with respect to a statue or image- it's a workable shorthand- but don't assume a simplistic interpretation, especially one that acribes to them both stupidity and idolatry, can actually adequately explain or describe someone else's spiritual life and relationship with God. Besides, if y'all protestants ever actually want to accuse Catholics of idolatry, you'd have much better luck focusing on the Eucharist than on the saints.
I didn't know that Harry Potter was deliberately Christian. Someone in another comment chain suggested that St. Anthony is the patron saint of lost articles, and that a lot of Irish pray to him when they lose something, and in the same way, Elrond could be said to be the patron saint of lost rings.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostThe statue or painting may represent the saint, but it's not ACTUALLY the saint.
Originally posted by Spartacus View PostIconoclasm is not murder, and I defy you to find someone who thinks it is. And yet if I were to take a picture of my grandmother out of its frame on the wall and tear it up, that action means more than just tearing up a piece of paper, doesn't it?
Originally posted by Spartacus View PostI don't have a problem with someone saying the phrase "praying to" with respect to a statue or image- it's a workable shorthand- but don't assume a simplistic interpretation, especially one that acribes to them both stupidity and idolatry, can actually adequately explain or describe someone else's spiritual life and relationship with God. Besides, if y'all protestants ever actually want to accuse Catholics of idolatry, you'd have much better luck focusing on the Eucharist than on the saints.
Originally posted by Spartacus View PostI meant to say the former two. Narnia is the most obviously Christian allegory, and Tolkien draws on a number of Christian themes. Rowling arguably does as well, though I don't know if that interpretation of HP is as commonly accepted.
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