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Originally posted by JimL View PostOh knock it off BP. From what I do know about it, its sounds like rubbish. Is that okay?
If I share my opinion on the quality of a thing, it is usually an attempt to be persuasive. For example, when I told my friend, "The hamburgers at Wendy's taste like garbage," I did so with the intention of swaying him away from purchasing a hamburger at Wendy's because I do not like the way that they taste, and I felt confident that my friend would not like the way that they taste, either. Now, if I had never eaten a Wendy's hamburger before-- or, perhaps, if I had very briefly smelled one without tasting it-- but I still told my friend that they probably taste like garbage, my opinion wouldn't really mean very much to him.
So, why share an opinion about something's quality which you know is made in ignorance?"[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostI do call our dogs free. Why does the fact that a dog's choices are freely made, on this definition, imply that this is not a meaningful description of freedom?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostIf our choices are determined by antecedent conditions and biology in what sense are they free? How do you define freedom?
Certainly, even in Libertarian Freedom, Free Will does not imply that an actor can resolve a choice entirely without constraint from the world around him. Even in Libertarian Freedom, an actor's choices are constrained by antecedent conditions and biology. So, the question becomes, "at what point do constraints from the world around the actor violate that actor's Free Will?""[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostThey are "free" in that they are made by the actor in question, and not imparted upon that actor by some other agent.
Certainly, even in Libertarian Freedom, Free Will does not imply that an actor can resolve a choice entirely without constraint from the world around him. Even in Libertarian Freedom, an actor's choices are constrained by antecedent conditions and biology. So, the question becomes, "at what point do constraints from the world around the actor violate that actor's Free Will?"Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThis is generally true, and no libertarian knows exactly where we can draw the line, yet we do believe that there is a line and that not all choices are determined by antecedent conditions and biology."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostWhile I certainly have different reasoning behind my compatibilism, it is certainly comforting to know that I'm not alone on these boards!βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostWhy do you believe that such a line exists?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostI have met Compatibilists who remain agnostic as regards libertarian freedom. They basically do not think that libertarian freedom is a necessary condition of Free Will, but neither are they convinced that libertarian freedom should be rejected.
Science is basically indifferent to such theological presuppositions concerning the degree of Free Will humans may have. Science has determined that much of our decision making process is determined within certain ranges of choice based on evolved behavior necessary for survival, and the influence of culture on choices, the actual degree of Free Will has not been determined. I believe we have a 'Will' but it is not necessarily free.
In terms of choice of belief it is abundantly apparent that the primary motive is the human desire for a 'sense of belonging' in a culturally motivated context. By far one's choice is within the culture they are raised, or determined by the culture or religion they are in. The context of moral and ethical standards and what is considered 'sin,' willful choices to follow or not follow the rules, and violations of morals is dependent on what belief on chooses.
Some issues that is seriously not considered from the perspective of many traditional belief systems that believe in a more libertarian Free Will such as Mental Illness, both inherited and environmentally induced.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostIt seems like there are a variety of differing definitions of compatibilism. Is there any one that you consider to be better than the others?"[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by seer View PostExperience. I believe I am perfectly free to choose to eat that extra piece of cake or not. That in experience I do have the power of contrary choice."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostExperience just tells us the choices we've already made. It tells us nothing about whether or not those choices were libertarian.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo it doesn't, when faced with the cake example I clearly have the choice to eat or not eat. Nothing determines my choice expect my will. I can even override my desire for the cake, which I have. So I have no reason to believe that choice was determined by antecedent conditions. That my choice wasn't free at that moment."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostYou're just question begging, here. You're presuming that nothing determines your choice except your will in order to conclude that nothing determines your choice except your will.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostIf my rational will doesn't do the choosing what does?"[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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