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How do you want your body disposed of after you die?
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Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIn Orthodoxy, the general rule is that if a person is cremated, then they are denied Christian burial and commemorative services; it is seen as a sign of disrespect to a body that will one day rise again.
It is not all that unusual for the body of a saint to remain without decay.Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
1 Corinthians 16:13
"...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
-Ben Witherington III
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My two late sister-in-laws were both cremated.
My cousins little boy, when he died, he was cremated, and it being Africa my cousin's husband forced himself to watch to make sure that no parts were removed for use by the Sangomas (they had an "arrangement" with the local funeral home)
... damn, been 10 years and I still can't talk about Timmy without tearing upBe watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
1 Corinthians 16:13
"...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
-Ben Witherington III
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I haven't really thought about the OP question, so I don't have an answer. I remember telling my mom that if the Lord takes me before them, then it'd be nice to have my organs harvested. I guess it's an odd, final, once-in-a-lifetime self-giving opportunity.
I remember the words of C. S. Lewis (I think), that we are like a river. The water is always flowing and the water molecules are never the same, but the river that is made of them remains, and the same is true of our bodies. I don't know to what extent, but I'm pretty sure the molecules and atoms that currently make up my body came from elsewhere and probably belonged to other people before me (not to mention other sources!), similar to what happens with harvested organs. So at the end of history, my current 'components' will have been through a lot of 'hands'. I honestly have no idea how God is gonna handle that to raise us all, but I'm confident He'll manage
However, this little fact always comes to mind when burial, cremation, etc. come up. While I totally understand respect and reverence for the deceased's body, both for the person as they lived and in light of the Resurrection, I'd nonetheless imagine the specifics aren't that important in the end, since our 'components' at the time of sleep don't exactly have a 1:1 correspondence with who we were.We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore on Christ's behalf: 'Be reconciled to God!!'- 2 Corinthians 5:20.
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Originally posted by Bisto View PostI haven't really thought about the OP question, so I don't have an answer...
I had to seriously think about the second question, hence the OP. My conclusion: it isn't about me (I'll be dead and won't know whats going on), it is all about those that survive me...that perspective made me pause for thought...
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Originally posted by Raphael View PostI asked this once before, but it was years ago and as I recall you were busy at the time and unable to investigate, what then is the Orthodox position on what happens to amputated limbs, as these are usually incinerated by the hospital.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by elam View PostI must admit for years I have been procrastinating about doing my will, and part of that process here in Oz is determining executors (the person named in a will to carry out the wishes of a person after they die). My family is widely dispersed across NSW & Australia, so I guess I'll appoint the public trustee as my executor - the easiest option if you don't want to hassle the family (I don't trust lawyers in general practice). Two of the questions I will be asked will be: What kind of funeral do you want? and How do you want your body disposed of after you die?
I had to seriously think about the second question, hence the OP. My conclusion: it isn't about me (I'll be dead and won't know whats going on), it is all about those that survive me...that perspective made me pause for thought...Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostFrom that perspective.... My grandfather was cremated, and my uncle (who is not a Christian) received the ashes. The urn was on a tray with flowers, but it didn't give him the sense of closure he would have gotten with a funeral and burial.
When my Dad died, there was a funeral with his body in a closed casket at the church, then he was taken away and cremated, and there was no graveside service. His remains were buried in the field of honour. I didn't go to the viewing, as I didn't want to see him like that.
I never felt like I didn't have closure. And when my Mom died, she was cremated 1000 miles away from where I live, in the winter, and we didn't go to her funeral at her church. Later that year, my sister came out with the remains and we placed her in the same plot as my Dad. There was a very simple graveside service, and again I felt that I had not missed anything by not viewing her or having a full funeral with her body present.
I watched my older sister, though, not a believer, who followed Dad's casket out of the car to the hearse, touching it, trying to hold on to it, and I thought, "I know I will see Dad again. She has no hope at this point in her life.".
I have never even felt the need to go back to the cemetery where Dad and Mom are. I know they are not there, and I don't need a place to go to in order to remember them or feel close to them. I know where they REALLY are, and I know I will be there, too, some day.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostFrom that perspective.... My grandfather was cremated, and my uncle (who is not a Christian) received the ashes. The urn was on a tray with flowers, but it didn't give him the sense of closure he would have gotten with a funeral and burial.
When my youngest Son died just short of his 22 birthday, because I have a diverse family, I just hired the chapel at the crematorium and got a family friend who is a minister to preside over precedings.
Expected maybe 50 people to turn up. 400 young dudes turned up plus a contingent of his ex-teachers, old family friends, immediate family, work colleagues of mine. If I had pre-knowledge I would have booked the church. Then about a week later we went over to Manly to scatter the ashes and there was a large crowd of people come to watch. It surprised me! But an old lady comforting me said " when an old person dies it is expected. When one so young dies it is a shock to all".
Closure with a funeral and witnessing a finality seems to be an inherent characteristic of persons when confronted by death. I'm inclined to instruct that when I die just deliver me to the crematorium but you have crystalised something that has been plaguing me. Thankyou!
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostI would really like to have my body left in the woods to be disposed of by the elements.
Our bodies are to be placed there in plain pine coffins. That's as near to natural as local law will allow.
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Christian burial, please!http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html
Thanks, Sparko, for telling how I add the link here!
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Preferably buries in a grave site that will remain undisturbed.
No one on this forum will be allowed this. If we're buried our graves will eventually be dug up, and what remains of our bones put in another burial spot, unmarked, and the gravesite with our tombstone will be taken up by someone else. Or it'll simple be impractical to bury people at that point.
It is out of respect of tradition, and as a symbol of hope of the Resurrection, I'd want to get buried if possible. However, I remember St. Augustine's recounting of his dying mother St. Monica's last words
"Bury my body wherever you will; let not care of it cause you any concern. One thing only I ask you, that you remember me at the altar of the Lord wherever you may be."
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