On another thread John Reece has accused me of being anti-semitic. Which I find strange given I grew up with Jewish refugees and even though I was RCC my first permanent job which led to a profitable career was given to me by a Jewish executive in a predominately Jewish insurance company. I have a debt of gratitude for genuine Jews. To put things in perspective for you: when I left school it took me a while to find a permanent job, mainly because in the employment pages we would regularly encounter "Jews & Catholics need to apply", that was a constant until the 1980s. I've experienced blind prejudice...
John please don't play the semite card, the Palestinians are your brothers. Both Isaac & Ishmael were Abraham's sons. Abraham was a Cannanite. Moses, to Aaron' s disdain, had a Midianite/Cushite wife/s. On face value: It is you that is anti-semitic!
According to my Jewish friends you can either be a Zionist or a Jew, you can't be both!
All I've done is state historical fact. And the reality of international law. The reality is Zionist Israel, to be distinguished from Jewish Israel, is pursuing an illegal act (under international law) in its pursuit of the captured territories. No ifs or buts that is just a cold hard fact.
The current Palestinian problems go back to the Yom Kipper war in 1973. In the 1967 6 day war, Israel won and captured a lot of territory from Egypt, Jordan & Syria. After the Yom Kipper war (Israel suffered heavy losses) Israel realised its strength was waning, so was open to compromise with the Arabs. Hence the 1978 Camp David Accords. Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt and normalizes relations. Egypt in turn recognised Israel. Jordan & Syria were/are a different case. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but I suspect Israel took retribution out on the Palestinians living in the territories captured in 1967. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled to nearby countries as refugees. From an international perspective Zionist Israel (not Jewish Israel) is pursuing a "final solution" for the Palestinians.
If you are a student of history you'd know about the original plan for "Mandated Palestine" (1939-1945). Palestine was not to be partitioned, but the Arabs who owned and populated most of the territory would be induced to allow Jews to settle and establish a homeland within Palestine. Whilst the Arabs weren't happy with the plan they didn't see a choice other than to go along with it, but they did negotiate compromises on the level of Jewish immigration and the ability of Jews to buy Arab land. The Zionists weren't happy and there were numerous civil clashes (wars) that caused nothing but headaches for the British administrators. Flash forward to 1947. The UN came up with a plan to partition Palestine into two states, and to make Jerusalem an international (UN) protectorate. The Arabs rejected the plan to partition their territory. Israel more or less accepted and a nation was born. Hence the conflicts of the last 70 or so years.
Flash forward to 1988. The PLO relying on UN Resolution 181(which had established Israel) declares independence. The International Court of Justice advised the UN that "The...right of self-determination as an established and recognized right under international law applies to the territory and to the Palestinian people. Accordingly, the exercise of such right entitles the Palestinian people to a State of their own as originally envisaged in resolution 181 (II) and subsequently confirmed". Israel refuses to acknowledge the Palestinian State.
Inconvenient truths for you maybe, but irrefutable facts none the less...
John please don't play the semite card, the Palestinians are your brothers. Both Isaac & Ishmael were Abraham's sons. Abraham was a Cannanite. Moses, to Aaron' s disdain, had a Midianite/Cushite wife/s. On face value: It is you that is anti-semitic!
According to my Jewish friends you can either be a Zionist or a Jew, you can't be both!
All I've done is state historical fact. And the reality of international law. The reality is Zionist Israel, to be distinguished from Jewish Israel, is pursuing an illegal act (under international law) in its pursuit of the captured territories. No ifs or buts that is just a cold hard fact.
The current Palestinian problems go back to the Yom Kipper war in 1973. In the 1967 6 day war, Israel won and captured a lot of territory from Egypt, Jordan & Syria. After the Yom Kipper war (Israel suffered heavy losses) Israel realised its strength was waning, so was open to compromise with the Arabs. Hence the 1978 Camp David Accords. Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt and normalizes relations. Egypt in turn recognised Israel. Jordan & Syria were/are a different case. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but I suspect Israel took retribution out on the Palestinians living in the territories captured in 1967. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled to nearby countries as refugees. From an international perspective Zionist Israel (not Jewish Israel) is pursuing a "final solution" for the Palestinians.
If you are a student of history you'd know about the original plan for "Mandated Palestine" (1939-1945). Palestine was not to be partitioned, but the Arabs who owned and populated most of the territory would be induced to allow Jews to settle and establish a homeland within Palestine. Whilst the Arabs weren't happy with the plan they didn't see a choice other than to go along with it, but they did negotiate compromises on the level of Jewish immigration and the ability of Jews to buy Arab land. The Zionists weren't happy and there were numerous civil clashes (wars) that caused nothing but headaches for the British administrators. Flash forward to 1947. The UN came up with a plan to partition Palestine into two states, and to make Jerusalem an international (UN) protectorate. The Arabs rejected the plan to partition their territory. Israel more or less accepted and a nation was born. Hence the conflicts of the last 70 or so years.
Flash forward to 1988. The PLO relying on UN Resolution 181(which had established Israel) declares independence. The International Court of Justice advised the UN that "The...right of self-determination as an established and recognized right under international law applies to the territory and to the Palestinian people. Accordingly, the exercise of such right entitles the Palestinian people to a State of their own as originally envisaged in resolution 181 (II) and subsequently confirmed". Israel refuses to acknowledge the Palestinian State.
Inconvenient truths for you maybe, but irrefutable facts none the less...
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