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Last edited by elam; 01-09-2017, 12:07 AM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd you are a Jew hater.
No?
Then maybe don't do it to other people. Even if they're weird. Or Catholic. Ah, but I repeat myself.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by elam View PostOn another thread John Reece has accused me of being anti-semitic.
I do not know you, so I have no basis for judging whether or not you are "anti-semitic".
I take your word for it that you definitely are not, and that I was quite wrong for accusing you of being such.
I hope you will forgive me.
I wrongly confused your vigorous opposition to the modern state of Israel with anti-semitism.
I am a fan and supporter of Netanyahu and Israel for many reasons; however, I am too old and feeble to argue about the subject of this your thread, so I can only say that I am sorry that I misjudged you and leave it at that.Last edited by John Reece; 01-09-2017, 05:02 AM.
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Originally posted by John Reece View PostI apologize, elam.
I do not know you, so I have no basis for judging whether or not you are "anti-semitic".
I take your word for it that you definitely are not, and that I was quite wrong for accusing you of being such.
I hope you will forgive me.
I wrongly confused your vigorous opposition to the modern state of Israel with anti-semitism.
I am a fan and supporter of Netanyahu and Israel for many reasons; however, I am too old and feeble to argue about the subject of this your thread, so I can only say that I am sorry that I misjudged you and leave it at that.
I'm not against modern Israel per se. I simply side with many Israelis & Jews of the diaspora who are critical of the Knesset's policies concerning the treatment of the Palestinians.
I'm not even against Zionism per se. I would support the benevolence of Hovevei Zion but I am dead set against Revisionist Zionism as founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky and which gave rise to terrorist groups such as the Irgun. (The Irgun were absorbed into the Israel Defense Forces at the start of the 1948 Arab–Israeli war, which explains a lot of things...).
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Originally posted by elam View PostNo sweat.
I'm not against modern Israel per se. I simply side with many Israelis & Jews of the diaspora who are critical of the Knesset's policies concerning the treatment of the Palestinians.
I'm not even against Zionism per se. I would support the benevolence of Hovevei Zion but I am dead set against Revisionist Zionism as founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky and which gave rise to terrorist groups such as the Irgun. (The Irgun were absorbed into the Israel Defense Forces at the start of the 1948 Arab–Israeli war, which explains a lot of things...).
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Originally posted by elam View PostUntil 1947, there hadn't been a united Jewish State in existence for 2,878 years - since the rebellion against Rehoboam in 931/932 BCE.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by elam View Post
Why? No other religion has a defensible homeland of their own!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...in-europe-how/
This is a question of survival for the Jewish peoples, it is not a question of survival for the Arabs....Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by elam View PostAfter the Jews were conquered and exiled. The Romans established the Palestinian state.
Guess you didn't do History at school...Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostSeriously seer.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post1948 Arab–Israeli War, Six Day War, Yom Kippur War.
Guess you aren't aware that the 6 day war & Yom Kippur war had nothing to with the Palestinians per se. Israel fought a coalition of states - Egypt, Syria & Jordan in the 1967 six day war; Egypt & Syria in the 1973 Yom Kippur war - they were attempting to reclaim the territories they had lost in 1967. Egyptian President Anwar Sadat wanted to reopen the Suez Canal. Neither specifically planned to destroy Israel - they didn't have the capability,
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostOriginally posted by elamI just did a quick check. In the 1948 uprising it was the Zionists who had a policy of ethic cleansing.planned by Zionist movement leaders, mainly David Ben-Gurion and the other ten members of his "consultancy group". 720,000 Palestinian Arabs out of the 900,000 who lived in the territories that became Israel fled or were expelled from their homes.
The problem with your speculation is for 19 years after the 1948 civil war the Arab world went dorment in respect of Israel...it is called "the lost years" in some cycles...Last edited by elam; 01-09-2017, 08:45 AM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo what is your point? At least there was an historic Jewish State, there has never been a Palestinian State. What should we do with the Jews, what is your solution to the Jewish question Elam?
As I noted before: after the Romans defeated the Israelites and exiled the surviving Jews they established the state/province of Palestine. So there has been a Palestinian state since the 2nd century CE (albeit, the region has had numerous name changes as conquerors imposed their administration.)Last edited by elam; 01-09-2017, 09:03 AM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostOK, so after centuries of pogroms in Europe and the Holocaust you don't believe that the Jewish peoples deserve, need or should have a defensible homeland? Especially with anti-Semitism on the rise again in Europe.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...in-europe-how/
The establishment of a Jewish state, especially one that demonstrates belligerence, just makes it a "sitting duck" target for anti-semitism,
We need to ask ourselves: Why is anti-semiticism on the increase in Europe? The rise of neo-Nazism might be a contributor. The Israeli treatment of the Palestinian issue is undoubtedly another = the perception of Jews applying Nazi policy.against another ethnic group.
I presume you are aware that prior to 1942 the Nazi "resolution of the Jewish problem" was to ship all the Jews to Madagascar. The Madagascar Plan aimed for "natural selection" = genocide for the majority, the potential for survival for some. To some this is comparable to Israel's Palesintian solution.
Originally posted by seer View PostThis is a question of survival for the Jewish peoples, it is not a question of survival for the Arabs....
Europe & the Middle East aren't the be all of the world. Apart from Jews, Asians are also treated with disdain in the region...Last edited by elam; 01-09-2017, 09:43 AM.
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Originally posted by elam View PostHaShem's will (God's will), which I understand to be the diaspora. Possibly a reason why over 58% of current worldwide Jewry have never had an inclination to immigrate to Israel.
As I noted before: after the Romans defeated the Israelites and exiled the surviving Jews they established the state/province of Palestine. So there has been a Palestinian state since the 2nd century CE (albeit, the region has had numerous name changes as conquerors imposed their administration.)Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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