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  • Originally posted by seer View Post
    Yes, to give the Jews a defensible homeland after all they have been through. Arabs have the rest of the Middle East which is vastly larger than tiny little Israel. Never mind the fact that every country that the Arabs/Muslim rule is totalitarian.
    So would it not also be OK for the UN and freedom fighters to take your land for such a noble cause? And no need for reparations, we can just assume upon your good will to freely give up your land, right?
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    • Originally posted by robrecht View Post
      So would it not also be OK for the UN and freedom fighters to take your land for such a noble cause? And no need for reparations, we can just assume upon your good will to freely give up your land, right?
      Robrecht, it does not matter what I or you think about the justice or injustice of this or what we did to the natives here in the US. We are not going to give the land back to them, nor are the Jews going to give the land back to the Arabs. That is the reality.
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • Originally posted by seer View Post
        Robrecht, it does not matter what I or you think about the justice or injustice of this or what we did to the natives here in the US. We are not going to give the land back to them, nor are the Jews going to give the land back to the Arabs. That is the reality.
        It certainly matters to me. But, if it doesn't matter to you, why are you discussing it? Interesting that you bring up native Americans. Do you think that the US government has some responsibility for dealing justly with them?
        βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
        ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

        אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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        • Originally posted by robrecht View Post
          It certainly matters to me. But, if it doesn't matter to you, why are you discussing it? Interesting that you bring up native Americans. Do you think that the US government has some responsibility for dealing justly with them?
          What do you mean deal justly? What does that look like? And I want to make it clear that I believe that the Jews have a more historical right to the land than the Arabs, after all the Hebrews were forced from the land by the Romans. If you want to go down that road.
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • Originally posted by seer View Post
            What do you mean deal justly? What does that look like? And I want to make it clear that I believe that the Jews have a more historical right to the land than the Arabs, after all the Hebrews were forced from the land by the Romans. If you want to go down that road.
            For example, when we took away their lands we at least made a pretense of providing them with other lands, even if we did not typically aide by our treaties, we recognized that we owed them something in return. Why wouldn't Israel also want to deal justly with the Palestinians?
            βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
            ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

            אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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            • Originally posted by robrecht View Post
              For example, when we took away their lands we at least made a pretense of providing them with other lands, even if we did not typically aide by our treaties, we recognized that we owed them something in return.
              Right but what should we do now?


              Why wouldn't Israel also want to deal justly with the Palestinians?
              Sure as soon as the Italians deal justly with the Jews.
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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