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Definition of Anti-Semite : Someone Who Hates Jewish People
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βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
I said with what he's said so far it's trending towards the latter. It's not a stretch when someone makes distasteful remarks* about a certain group, repeatedly, doesn't like said group.
*"tainted", "final solution", and another term I've never heard from anyone that wasn't anti-Semitic "Jewry".
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...sm/jewpop.html
If the word is good enough for the Jews, it is good enough for me!
To find umbrage with words that even Jews use regularly, gives me the feeling you have something on your conscious, some prejudice that you are suppressing (?)
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostYou're playing games. When Christians use the term in describing original sin, they are speaking of a universal condition of all humanity, perhaps even all creation, and it clearly has a most negative connotation. You, on the other hand, are using the term specifically for anyone that has Jewish ancestry. That you do not believe any Jews would contest the term is untested. You then make a false dichotomy between those who find offense at words and those who are offended by injustices regularly seen on TV.
As for word games. I used a definition you yourself provided and provided an application of the term.
Earlier I remarked that in my understanding the Jews saw themselves as cursed = their existence has been tainted by suffering. They suffer not because of religion but because of their ethnicity = their bloodline carries the curse of HaShem.
Why have the Jews been persecuted for centuries according to you?Last edited by elam; 01-14-2017, 12:12 PM.
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Originally posted by elam View PostNo false dichotomy. Were you offended by Russia's action in East Aleppo? If you answer yeas then I have to ask whether you were offended by Israel's attack on defenseless civilians in Lebanon?
Originally posted by elam View PostAs for word games. I used a definition you yourself provided and provided an application of the term.
Earlier I remarked that in my understanding the Jews saw themselves as cursed = their existence has been tainted by suffering. They suffer not because of religion but because of their ethnicity = their bloodline carries the curse of HaShem.
Why have the Jews been persecuted for centuries according to you?βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostYes, and yes. Therefore false dichotomy
That you find both the Russian & Israeli actions offensive is a good sign. But aren't you therefore criticising Israel for what they see as defensive actions, and if so, in the eyes of Israel, you are denying their right to exist. Therefore you must be anti-semitic. That is the typical Israeli argument. Do you agree with it?
Originally posted by robrecht View PostLargely because of various forms of anti-semitism. I do not blame God evil deeds and actions of humans.
See how silly the anti-semitic card can get.
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Originally posted by elam View PostYou are a great laugh. The word "Jewry" is the term used by Jewish publications to refer to the Jews of the world. Have a look at the following from the Jewish Virtual Library...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...sm/jewpop.html
If the word is good enough for the Jews, it is good enough for me!
To find umbrage with words that even Jews use regularly, gives me the feeling you have something on your conscious, some prejudice that you are suppressing (?)
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Originally posted by elam View PostSorry I can't see it in my original prose = "I'm not interested in the sensibilities of some delicate petals who will find offense at words rather than than the injustices they regularly see on TV".
Originally posted by elam View PostThat you find both the Russian & Israeli actions offensive is a good sign. But aren't you therefore criticising Israel for what they see as defensive actions, and if so, in the eyes of Israel, you are denying their right to exist. Therefore you must be anti-semitic. That is the typical Israeli argument. Do you agree with it?
Originally posted by elam View PostAccording to the Jewish scriptures it is HaShem (God) that delivers all calamity to whomever he wills. Do you deny them this testimony often repeated in the OT. If so you must be anti-semitic.
Originally posted by elam View PostSee how silly the anti-semitic card can get.βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by John Reece View PostIt is enlightening to compare the curriculua of Israeli schools for children with that of Palestinian schools for children...
Originally posted by elam View PostIt is even more enlightening to compare the Israel schools provided to Ashkenazi Jews and those provided to the other Jewish ethnicities and those provided to Israeli-Palestinians...
Is homeschooling allowed? Are private schools allowed?http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html
Thanks, Sparko, for telling how I add the link here!
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Originally posted by elam View PostThere is an israeli (Jewish) advocacy group who are pushing for a secular Israeli state - the single state solution where Palestinians are allowed to return to there tradition lands and (in theory) live harmoniously with the Jews. I can't see it happening while the Zionists (as opposed to Jews) demand recognition of a Jews only state...Originally posted by robrecht View PostI recognize the right of various branches of Judaism to define Jewish identity in various manners. For example, Karaite and Reform Judaism do recognize a role of patrilineal descent in determining who is and who is not a Jew in their views. You have not determined anyone's bloodline, but you have attempted to exclude anyone who supports some form(s) of zionism from being Jews--is that not correct?http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html
Thanks, Sparko, for telling how I add the link here!
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Originally posted by elam View PostFrom the late 19th century Jews were persecuted in most European states, it started in Russia and then spread to Poland, France, Germany etc.
One ancestress of mine - who became a Christian when marrying - fled from a pogrom in Palestine (then Turkish mandate) to Paris in the time of Napoleon III.
That Antisemitism existed is true, but it was as much a fringe position in III:rd Republic as Antimasonism. It was not a serious immediate threat of persecution, much less a persecution, of Jews any more than Antimasonism had any realistic hopes of banning freemasonry.
If you mean low intensity below the radar of authorities, that might be another thing.http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html
Thanks, Sparko, for telling how I add the link here!
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In Bavaria and Austria, Jews may have been fairly impopular due to Prussian / Jewish interests so much coinciding up to 1916.http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html
Thanks, Sparko, for telling how I add the link here!
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