()))))CRAYOLA))))> “The Writings are on the Wall”

[OtherCheek]

It is such an amazing thing that so much has been found which was written, or inscribed, to do with the name, as well as the expression, of the Most High. Not to mention the decalogue along with other mentions of various parts of scripture. Researching the “Old Negev” inscriptions in the desert of Sinai was astounding enough but to realize that this form of writing was found on six different continents was just short of mind blowing until I saw that this same old form of writing had been found here on this side of the pond. Yes, that’s right. Here in the good ol’US of A. I further found that there are places called Bat Creek, Tennessee and Newark, Ohio and La Junta, Colorado and Los Lunas, New Mexico, as well as others, that these inscriptions are found. What was found to be inscribed on the objects found, as well as the rock walls, is amazing to say the least.

Here are some links to such sites that discuss such things………

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/15_home.html
http://www.viewzone.com/purg2.html
http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/decalog.html
http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/batcrk.html
http://net.lib.byu.edu/imaging/negev/Names.html
http://www.excel.net/~hoy/t-inscr/tinscr.html
http://tcprayer.bravehost.com/zion.htm

Has anyone here have any knowledge of these things and would like to share them?

Is there any more popcorn, guys? Don't hog it all please.

Jo just informed me about this thread and asked me if I might comment.

I confess that I would be thrilled if it were discovered and impiracally shown that ancient Hebraic peoples inhabited the Americas, for this would lend support to the Book of Mormon.

However, I have seen from experience that it is often a tool of deceit when sensational stories, evidences, or facts are claimed. And usually (not always) what is sensational is not true. But sometimes (as with the resurrection) it is true--at least I believe it is.

All of these links are of the sensational variety for me as a practicing LDS person with a strong belief in the Book of Mormon. They may be genuine evidence, and they may be hoaxes meant to deceive. I don't know whether to believe them or not

If they are true, it would indeed be interesting, and would lend external support to my beliefs, but they would not lend any spiritual credence or spiritual foundation to why I believe what I believe. (That may or may not make sense to you).

Anyway, these links are very interesting. I would not be surprised to find Hebraic-type writings of ancient origin in the Americas, but I am reticent to declare any of these things as actual, genuine, ancient artifacts.

I will try to study these links and explore them a little more though, and see if I can add anything more in the next few days.

I hope that helps.

Thanks.

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Is there any more popcorn, guys? Don't hog it all please.

Jo just informed me about this thread and asked me if I might comment.

I confess that I would be thrilled if it were discovered and impiracally shown that ancient Hebraic peoples inhabited the Americas, for this would lend support to the Book of Mormon.

However, I have seen from experience that it is often a tool of deceit when sensational stories, evidences, or facts are claimed. And usually (not always) what is sensational is not true. But sometimes (as with the resurrection) it is true--at least I believe it is.

All of these links are of the sensational variety for me as a practicing LDS person with a strong belief in the Book of Mormon. They may be genuine evidence, and they may be hoaxes meant to deceive. I don't know whether to believe them or not

If they are true, it would indeed be interesting, and would lend external support to my beliefs, but they would not lend any spiritual credence or spiritual foundation to why I believe what I believe. (That may or may not make sense to you).

Anyway, these links are very interesting. I would not be surprised to find Hebraic-type writings of ancient origin in the Americas, but I am reticent to declare any of these things as actual, genuine, ancient artifacts.

I will try to study these links and explore them a little more though, and see if I can add anything more in the next few days.

I hope that helps.

Thanks.

Sure.....have some.....

Over look Jo as we gave her the hard stuff to drink.

J/K

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However, I have seen from experience that it is often a tool of deceit when sensational stories, evidences, or facts are claimed. And usually (not always) what is sensational is not true. But sometimes (as with the resurrection) it is true--at least I believe it is.

All of these links are of the sensational variety for me as a practicing LDS person with a strong belief in the Book of Mormon. They may be genuine evidence, and they may be hoaxes meant to deceive. I don't know whether to believe them or not.

Well as you will see that one is from Brigham Young University and two are from Ohio State University. I have personally met and spoke with Jeff A. Benner of the Ancient Hebrew Research Center and can assure you that his integrity is of the most respectable.

I cannot speak for the others but only found them during my online research of the topic. Our Hebrew class at out Tabernacle was asked to look into where the name Yah had been found in Acient times so we started digging and I found these sites.

Hope someone can offer more links and info on the subject.

[FreezBee]

Is there any more popcorn, guys? Don't hog it all please.

There's still plenty



ETA: I see that Sinaiticism already has supplied you with

Jo just informed me about this thread and asked me if I might comment.

I confess that I would be thrilled if it were discovered and impiracally shown that ancient Hebraic peoples inhabited the Americas, for this would lend support to the Book of Mormon.

However, I have seen from experience that it is often a tool of deceit when sensational stories, evidences, or facts are claimed. And usually (not always) what is sensational is not true. But sometimes (as with the resurrection) it is true--at least I believe it is.

All of these links are of the sensational variety for me as a practicing LDS person with a strong belief in the Book of Mormon. They may be genuine evidence, and they may be hoaxes meant to deceive. I don't know whether to believe them or not

If they are true, it would indeed be interesting, and would lend external support to my beliefs, but they would not lend any spiritual credence or spiritual foundation to why I believe what I believe. (That may or may not make sense to you).

Anyway, these links are very interesting. I would not be surprised to find Hebraic-type writings of ancient origin in the Americas, but I am reticent to declare any of these things as actual, genuine, ancient artifacts.

I will try to study these links and explore them a little more though, and see if I can add anything more in the next few days.

I hope that helps.

Thanks.

It is very sound advice that caution should be exercised with sensational stories, especially stories such as these, where the documentation is scarce.

- FreezBee

[OtherCheek]

Well as you will see that one is from Brigham Young University and two are from Ohio State University. I have personally met and spoke with Jeff A. Benner of the Ancient Hebrew Research Center and can assure you that his integrity is of the most respectable.

I cannot speak for the others but only found them during my online research of the topic. Our Hebrew class at out Tabernacle was asked to look into where the name Yah had been found in Acient times so we started digging and I found these sites.

Hope someone can offer more links and info on the subject.

Yes, I saw the one from BYU (my alma mater). I heard quite a bit about the bat creek stone, and one of the others, but frankly I never really researched them much. I have no doubt that Jeff A. Benner is a man of integrity. I'm just saying that there are people of the long past who perpetrate hoaxes in hopes of getting money, and so I am cautious.

Having said that, I do absolutely believe that there were Hebraic peoples here in the Americas anciently.

From what looking I have done, it seems these artifacts follow the same patters of all such things that are connected with the Judaic-Christian religions---there are some who agree that it is genuine evidence and some who say it is a hoax.

I did find another link of a proponent of the bat creek stone:

Bat creek stone http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/batcrk.html

I will say, from my perspective, that we LDS believe God led several groups of righteous followers away from the nation of Israel and Judea who were faithful followers of Yahweh to spare them from the calamities that were to befall Israel when they were scattered among all nations as was prophesied.

Amos 9: 9
9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

Deut 4:27-29
27 And the Lord shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the Lord shall lead you.
28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

Jeremiah 29:18, 1 Kings 22:17 and 2 Kings 15:29 to name a few.

And some of these parties were led to the new world, I believe.

Because of this, I believe that the blood of Israel has been sprinkled and mixed throughout the earth with few exceptions. That means that remnants of their beliefs will also show up in places around the earth. I believe God will again gather his people together (those that are willing to be gathered).

That's my LDS perspective on this topic.

It's all very interesting, Sinaiticism, and I would be interested to know what you discover or learn in your research.

[OtherCheek]

There's still plenty



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It is very sound advice that caution should be exercised with sensational stories, especially stories such as these, where the documentation is scarce.

- FreezBee

Thanks, FreezBee.

In my experience, it is a dangerous thing to attach one's religious faith so strongly to temporal artifacts. It tends to draw us away from the spiritual strength and foundations that I think should be at the core of our faith.

But I know there are others who would disagree with that assessment.

Thanks. Now I need to get something to wash down all this popcorn.

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Thanks, FreezBee.

In my experience, it is a dangerous thing to attach one's religious faith so strongly to temporal artifacts. It tends to draw us away from the spiritual strength and foundations that I think should be at the core of our faith.

But I know there are others who would disagree with that assessment.

Thanks. Now I need to get something to wash down all this popcorn.

Here ya go.......

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In my experience, it is a dangerous thing to attach one's religious faith so strongly to temporal artifacts. It tends to draw us away from the spiritual strength and foundations that I think should be at the core of our faith.

But I know there are others who would disagree with that assessment.

But if one is only looking into the facts that they do in fact exist and show that there was another history to be told as well as uphold what is already written then it is a good thing. no? What of the dead sea scrolls and all the other artifacts that have been found? They teach us and show us a window into the past that gives us a picture of what was.

Though I understand where you are coming from and can only say that there will always be those that place their trust and faith in the created over the creator. That has already been foretold many times over all throughout the word of truth.

I find these types of things of much interest and enjoy reading about them. i wish I was able to go to all these places and see them first hand. Maybe someday I will.

Not meaning to show what little understanding I have of the mormon faith but isn't that Joseph Smith found a golden scroll or something that was written in Hebrew or something or the other in a cave in upper sate NewYork or somewhere?

[jo7241974]

Here ya go.......

Whew....I thought you might give him some of mine!!

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Whew....I thought you might give him some of mine!!

Naw. We'll leave all that strong stuff for the little lady.

[OtherCheek]

But if one is only looking into the facts that they do in fact exist and show that there was another history to be told as well as uphold what is already written then it is a good thing. no? What of the dead sea scrolls and all the other artifacts that have been found? They teach us and show us a window into the past that gives us a picture of what was.

I think it's great to gain knowledge of all these things. LDS people are encouraged to do this and our scriptures say to do this. I'm very interested in the dead sea scrolls and ancient artifacts. However, all these are not foundational (or should not be), to my faith which is built upon a non-material foundation. That's all I'm saying. It's icing on the cake, but the roots of my faith are beyond the temporal, physical senses. I hope that makes sense. But I am all for studying these things. And sometimes hard artifacts can lead people to spiritual discoveries that have far more value than artifacts, IMO That is the best when that happens, IMO.

I've been burned in the past by relying on sensational news stories, only to find that I was deceived. And so I am cautious. That's all I'm saying.

Though I understand where you are coming from and can only say that there will always be those that place their trust and faith in the created over the creator. That has already been foretold many times over all throughout the word of truth.

Exactly. Well put and it took a lot fewer words too.

I find these types of things of much interest and enjoy reading about them. i wish I was able to go to all these places and see them first hand. Maybe someday I will.

Me too.

Not meaning to show what little understanding I have of the mormon faith but isn't that Joseph Smith found a golden scroll or something that was written in Hebrew or something or the other in a cave in upper sate NewYork or somewhere?

Yes. That's only part of his story. I you like you can read his history in his own words here, and have a better understanding of the origins of our faith.

I'm gone for a few days on a little family get-together, so happy studies. And let me know what you learn. Especially regarding this ancient Negev language.

P.S. What do you think about these discoveries (if they are real and true) as it relates to the prophecies of Israel being scattered and sifted among the nations of the earth? I think that's pretty interesting.

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P.S. What do you think about these discoveries (if they are real and true) as it relates to the prophecies of Israel being scattered and sifted among the nations of the earth? I think that's pretty interesting.

Have a nice family thing. ;)

Ummmmmm...............

Well I really do not look at it so much to do with it being part of the prophecies of Yisrael being scattered to the four winds but rather they were traveling with another seafaring nation. There were the Purple People or otherwise known as the Phoenicians that did allot of traveling on the high seas and it is understood that Zebulon was one who liked the sea so it may of been them that traveled with this northern Canaanite people. As slaves or as fellow merchants or whatever I am not sure as I haven't studied that deep into it but have read and seen a little on the subject. The claims are that they came here to the eastern US before Columbus and even the Vikings. I am not so sure that it was all that impossible for this to have occurred and if so would go a long way in explaining how these writings became to be found on this side of the pond. Just theorizing on my own as to what might be without any real knowledge on the matter.

What you guys think? Have anything to either prove or disprove any that I have thus offered?

[OmniSkeptical]

Mormonic inscriptions, or Jewish moronic inscriptions? The-so was the question. Oh and don't let the polygamy lead you astray to the Mormonic and Roamin Catholic clergy.