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  • #16
    Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
    Dude you link to Breitbart.
    Yep... because Breitbart has proven itself to be a credible and reputable source of news.

    And it drives liberal morons like you crazy.

    It's a win/win.

    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #17
      Pro-Trump bikers plan to form a "wall" in front of protestors in the event that things turn violent.

      http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-inauguration/
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        Pro-Trump bikers plan to form a "wall" in front of protestors in the event that things turn violent.

        http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-inauguration/
        Good!
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Pro-Trump bikers plan to form a "wall" in front of protestors in the event that things turn violent.

          http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-inauguration/
          If I were a leftist seeking trouble this would be music to my ears. I would work to cause confrontations so that my allies in the media could portray them as the sort of things that Trump produces and bring up how such confrontations were common in Europe when the Nazis rose to power (they might even refer to the bikers as Trump's Brown Shirts).

          The best thing to do is let the police handle any disruptions.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            I am not sure what you mean by this. What do you see it as revealing?
            Today's liberals seem far more capable of violence and mayhem when they don't get their way than conservatives.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              My personal view would be that people always have the right of protest against the government. That is a fundamental human right and something that should always be respected and fully tolerated so long as it is non-violent. If they choose to use violence, then the government has every right to respond appropriately and proportionately, but has strong obligation to its citizenry to not respond with disproportionate force and to allow the protesters to be heard.
              Absolutely agreed!

              I think history shows that the use of violence by protest movements ultimately makes them much less successful than a commitment to non-violence, because what is really the goal in such movements is to win the hearts and minds of the majority of the citizenry and the use of violence has a strong negative effect as to how citizens view the movements.
              Yup.

              I think the incoming Trump administration in total has crossed the line into utterly unacceptable and think that US citizens en masse should refuse to recognize the incoming administration, boycott it, and protest it, and think countries around the world should refuse to recognize it and threaten sanctions. It appears it will be the worst administration in US history, and so I think if violence is ever justifiable in protest then it would be justifiable now.
              I knew it was too good to be true.

              But, apart from my strong commitment to the validity of anti-government protests and the ("first amendment") right of citizens to express anti-government opinions, I don't see anything much of that as coming from any deeply held leftist principles on my part. It's more just me thinking "hmmm, well there are pros and cons, etc". It's not any deep "revealing the soul of the left". There are plenty of people on the left who think that people have an obligation to "respect the outcome of the democratic process" etc (e.g. as Hillary has been quoted here extensively as saying), and hence not even say "boo" in challenge to Trump. I would be more on that side if I thought for a second that the US had a respectable democratic process, and if it weren't the case that it had massive gerrymandering to favor the Republicans, massive voter suppression to favor the Republicans, an absurd electoral college system to favor the Republicans, and if Clinton (as much as I hate her) hadn't actually won the popular vote, etc.
              The first part of this section makes total sense, then you go into major wacko land.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Today's liberals seem far more capable of violence and mayhem when they don't get their way than conservatives.
                Off hand I cannot think of a single Tea Party rally where violence erupted in contrast to not being able to think of a single Occupy protest where violence didn't break out.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  If I were a leftist seeking trouble this would be music to my ears. I would work to cause confrontations so that my allies in the media could portray them as the sort of things that Trump produces and bring up how such confrontations were common in Europe when the Nazis rose to power (they might even refer to the bikers as Trump's Brown Shirts).

                  The best thing to do is let the police handle any disruptions.
                  The media would portray it that way even if it was police officers keeping the peace. You know the media is going to make a big deal about the demonstrators even if it's just a fart in a hurricane, like when Trump got a standing ovation from 24,000 people at the Army-Navy football game, but the media couldn't take their cameras off the 100 or so protestors outside.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    The media would portray it that way even if it was police officers keeping the peace. You know the media is going to make a big deal about the demonstrators even if it's just a fart in a hurricane, like when Trump got a standing ovation from 24,000 people at the Army-Navy football game, but the media couldn't take their cameras off the 100 or so protestors outside.
                    Of course, but which provides better imagery for the left in this case -- rioters being handled by the police or two "gangs" fighting in the street with one of them allied to Trump.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      Off hand I cannot think of a single Tea Party rally where violence erupted in contrast to not being able to think of a single Occupy protest where violence didn't break out.
                      EGGzackly - when conservatives protest, it's by and large polite and decent. When liberals protest, there tends to be broken windows, obstruction of traffic, damage to local businesses...

                      Now, it's entirely possible that there were occupy events where violence did not occur, and, hence, no media coverage -- but it appears the "get attention" factor in liberal events is the little temper tantrums, often resulting in looting.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Of course, but which provides better imagery for the left in this case -- rioters being handled by the police or two "gangs" fighting in the street with one of them allied to Trump.
                        Given the left's anti-police narrative, I'm not sure it would make much difference.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Today's liberals seem far more capable of violence and mayhem when they don't get their way than conservatives.
                          You're grouping together a large number of disparate groups of people there under the single banner of 'liberal'. Some favor the use of violence, some do not.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            You're grouping together a large number of disparate groups of people there under the single banner of 'liberal'.
                            What do you consider a "large number"?

                            Some favor the use of violence, some do not.
                            But I was speaking quite generally, and generally this is more a trait of the liberals than of conservative protesters.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #29
                              *Puts on Waiting For the Worms from The Wall by Pink Floyd*

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                What do you consider a "large number"?
                                Well the generally socio-economically disadvantaged black people rioting in Baltimore, are quite different from the mostly educated white people involved in the Occupy protests, for example. Generally minorities and marginalized groups will tend to lean liberal. So in the US that includes Blacks, Hispanics, LGBT people, poor people, Muslims, atheists etc. Usually marginalized groups have little in common with each other aside from the fact that the mainstream of their society has marginalized them. And then quite aside from those types of groups the 'liberals' in the US would include environmentalists, hippies, the Christian Left, progressives, communists, etc. And quite a few posters here have a tendency to label anyone and everyone who regularly votes democrat as a "liberal", which would include a swathe of different types of people.

                                But I was speaking quite generally, and generally this is more a trait of the liberals than of conservative protesters.
                                Well if you think about the words, conservatives want to 'conserve' the status quo, while liberals want change. Liberals, kind of by definition, tend to challenge established power whereas conservatives tend not to. So it should be generally unsurprising that on the whole liberals tend to have the harder time of achieving their goals and have an inherently bigger task ahead of them, and are thus likely to use proportionately stronger methods.
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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