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God's Rule Over Obama and Trump

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  • #16
    Originally posted by hansgeorg View Post
    God makes or allows everything to happen.
    I'm referring to people who claim that God always causes(rather than allows) every event to happen. And then they claim that would bring more honor to God than to claim that God often allows events to happen according to logical progression and human actions. Of course, I'd like to know if those people think God causes folks to sin(there has to be a name for that heresy).
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
      The first and third reasons are simply wrong. God does want the government to be his servant, and to serve as part of his kingdom. That much is discussed in Romans 13, and numerous other places. And even though the church and government have separate roles, they are supposed to be interrelated, so God isn't trying to send us that message, either.
      So I'm trying to find to find a way to explain myself and I found this quote: "God's word also makes clear that while the government's role is to protect, the role of the Church is both to remind the government of its duty to be just and to model to the world God's kindness and love." (Whole article here: http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/co...tice-americans)

      In a perfect world, the government and church would both be servants of God. However each has its role and while they are interrelated they aren't synonymous. Maybe view them as a married couple? Two distinct people who are joined together.

      Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
      I agree that sinful people rule sinfully. However, I don't see why God would especially care about sending that message. Most people already know it anyway.
      I don't think most people realize what is sin anymore. I probably should have said: "Allowing people to suffer the consequences of sinful rulers so they repent and return to God."

      Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
      The answer to your question is that it is NOT God's plan for things to be this way. And things will ultimately turn around in history. But until Christians start putting on the armor of God then things will stay this way.
      Absolutely agree that this is not God's plan. I'm not expecting a turn around until Jesus returns to rule.
      "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

      "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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