Death certificate for Jesus discovered in Shroud of Turin

[rogue06]

Sheep, please tell me you're not swallowing that ... umm ... stuff.

Starting to remind me of the reports of spotting barely detectable images of Roman coins over the eyes of the face on the shroud from several years back that are still being touted despite being based on flimsy evidence at best.

[Rainbow Brite]

Starting to remind me of the reports of spotting barely detectable images of Roman coins over the eyes of the face on the shroud from several years back that are still being touted despite being based on flimsy evidence at best.

Were the eyes ever allowed to be cut out and tested? If not what kind of evidence is possible?

Assuming that they would not shut off the cameras during proper sealing of it...

[lao tzu]

Starting to remind me of the reports of spotting barely detectable images of Roman coins over the eyes of the face on the shroud from several years back that are still being touted despite being based on flimsy evidence at best.

You know they were authentic. They were stamped 33 AD.

[Rainbow Brite]

You know they were authentic. They were stamped 33 AD.

You know dating of the Shroud was authentic. Everything but sealing of actual samples was recorded.

I guess if I was a convenience store clerk and wanted to steal some cash I could just switch off the cameras for a minute, pocket the money, then turn them back on and claim I was robbed. No intelligent mind should suspect anything different than what I claim...

[rogue06]

Were the eyes ever allowed to be cut out and tested? If not what kind of evidence is possible?

Assuming that they would not shut off the cameras during proper sealing of it...

The claim appears to be based upon one particular photograph of the Shroud taken by Giuseppe Enrie in 1931. AFAICT nobody claims to have spotted the alleged imprint of any coins on the detailed photographs taken in 1978 using lighting carefully places to minimize minuscule shadows in between the cloth's fibers. These photos are far superior to those taken by Enrie in that produced far less chromatic distortion and the film had a much finer grain.

Further, the Enrie photograph needed considerable contrast enhancement using orthocromatic film. Such enhancements are widely known for creating a granular posterizing effect.

IOW, the image of the coins that some claimed were so clear that they were able to identify precisely the types of coins used completely vanished when far superior images were examined.

This seems reminiscent of the claims made about the so-called Face on Mars based on grainy pictures taken by Viking 1 in the 1970s that vanished when better, higher resolution pictures taken by the Mars Global Surveyor were published.

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[Rainbow Brite]

The claim appears to be based upon one particular photograph of the Shroud taken by Giuseppe Enrie in 1931. AFAICT nobody claims to have spotted the alleged imprint of any coins on the detailed photographs taken in 1978 using lighting carefully places to minimize minuscule shadows in between the cloth's fibers. These photos are far superior to those taken by Enrie in that produced far less chromatic distortion and the film had a much finer grain.

Is there any way to test that fiber to see if metal coins were ever on it? As I've read coins on eyes are not a Jewish custom, thus evidence against the man in the Shroud being Jesus, so it would be interesting to know for sure.

[NeilUnreal]

Remember that we of the space brethren had nearly thirty of your earth years to eradicate that face on Mars while you were muddling about developing better imaging tools.

In any case, there was no further need for it. The Venusian acne face product it was advertising is no longer available in the inner solar system.

-Neil

[Rainbow Brite]

Remember that we of the space brethren had nearly thirty of your earth years to eradicate that face on Mars while you were muddling about developing better imaging tools.

In any case, there was no further need for it. The Venusian acne face product it was advertising is no longer available in the inner solar system.

-Neil

I've thought it may have just been nuked. My dad was a spook so I got to realize that conspiracies are the norm not the exception. Ignorance is probably more blissful.

[rogue06]

Remember that we of the space brethren had nearly thirty of your earth years to eradicate that face on Mars while you were muddling about developing better imaging tools.

In any case, there was no further need for it. The Venusian acne face product it was advertising is no longer available in the inner solar system.

-Neil

Too bad y'all went and missed wiping out the infamous Martian smiley face as well

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[Rainbow Brite]

Too bad y'all went and missed wiping out the infamous Martian smiley face as well

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That looks like the coin on the Shroud.

[FreezBee]

In any case, there was no further need for it. The Venusian acne face product it was advertising is no longer available in the inner solar system.

-Neil

Just because I have nothing better to do: it is Venerian.

- FreezBee

[NeilUnreal]

Just because I have nothing better to do: it is Venerian.

Don't tell that to the moon maidens.

-Neil

[FreezBee]

Don't tell that to the moon maidens.

-Neil

I always tell the moon maidens that it is Veterinarian

[Rapalyea]

C14 dating was a scandal, if not an outright fraud. I have been convinced to retract my speculation venallity might have been involved. However, the incompetance was both monumental and inexplicable. http://www.shroudofturin4journalists.com/

Worse. The C14 samples were contaminated with a cotton patch in such a way it is now possible to estimate how much cotton might have been included. Interpolation is congruent with very early provenance. I don't have the URL or inerpolation handy.

MY SUMMARY
I am still awaiting just one credible exclusionary piece of evidence. In the absence of such evidence I am constrained to consider the mountain of purported physical and circumstantial evidence: A first century crucifiction consistent with biblical accounts of thorns, side wound, and scourging.

[Rapalyea]

I am no coin advocate, but have spent the last week investigating it and Lepton coins. After scouring the internet listings on Pilate coins I even bought one of them. The Pilate coins include a very distinctive lituus (looks like a shepherds crook).

I downloaded one of the enhanced coin images into my own simple graphic software. At high magnification [one pixel = 1/8 inch printout = aproximately one strand of thread] a litus stands out like a sore thumb. However, I do not have the high resolution photos nor the polarizing stuff etc etc.

Further, I do not have a high level of confidence the enhanced image I used was not actually enhanced by the enhancer. Are all those enhanced pixels unmolested? The advocates speculate repeated handling of the cloth has distorted the fibers and that may be the problem.

My problem is I have not yet found a source for these high resolution 1978 photos. In my experience Kodak PlusX Pan will yeild a resolution at one foot distance that would ACTUALLY resolve individual imperfections on individual fibers within one individual thread.

I have downloaded other available images and it does seem likely there are coins on the eyes. But I won't swear to any of it. Besides, the recent 'Death Certificate' lettering images are HUGE by comparison. If they turn out credible that would pretty much put an end to the entire process.

The 'NAZARENE' original image covers a space roughly one foot by two inches. http://news.discovery.com/archaeolog...rin-claim.html