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  • A New Religion

    Doctrine:
    Definition of God
    1. God is expressed in the words and deeds of human beings.

    God’s Revelation
    1. None

    Liturgy:
    1. None

    Cult:
    1. None

    Statement of Faith
    1. None

    Apologetic:
    1. This doctrine cannot be justified other than by the common sense view that it is simple and therefore unlikely to offend anyone. It is considered important to avoid adding anything to the various aspects of the religion stated above.

    But, is this a useful God?
    Traditionally, Gods have had to do work in the community they serve in order to attract a degree of devotion. From the definition above we see that such work is exactly expressed by the actions of the devotees. The remaining question is whether this religion is able to attract devotion and mobilise good deeds in the same way that traditional religions have done.

    The lack of liturgy, creed and so on seems to be a major drawback because without them there seems to be no reason to gather with other people to worship God – this last point is where most other religions go wrong – this God is ‘worshiped’ by our actions towards other people and other creatures in the world and nothing else.

    So, instead of going inward, into our Church to worship God, in this religion we go outwards into the world and by our actions we worship God.

    How to Join:
    This religion has no name, no HQ, no mission, no meetings. Membership is free. All are welcome.

    Finally, I am tempted to make the bold claim that so low is the barrier to membership that we are all, in fact, members of this great Church. Welcome fellow parishioners.
    “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
    “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
    “not all there” - you know who you are

  • #2
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
      Finally, I am tempted to make the bold claim that so low is the barrier to membership that we are all, in fact, members of this great Church. Welcome fellow parishioners.
      Actually the barrier is quiet high. You have to accept the ramblings of a mad man.

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      • #4
        In other words Humanism?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
          In other words Humanism?
          yep...
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
            In other words Humanism?
            Not a new religion by any means.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
              Doctrine:
              Definition of God
              1. God is expressed in the words and deeds of human beings.

              God’s Revelation
              1. None

              Liturgy:
              1. None

              Cult:
              1. None

              Statement of Faith
              1. None

              Apologetic:
              1. This doctrine cannot be justified other than by the common sense view that it is simple and therefore unlikely to offend anyone. It is considered important to avoid adding anything to the various aspects of the religion stated above.
              Historical updating for you.

              This was tried by Voltaire, to some degree Rousseau and Montesquieu as well, and one adherent was a certain Robespierre.
              http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html

              Thanks, Sparko, for telling how I add the link here!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Not a new religion by any means.
                Perhaps, but it is the core of every religion. The fact that it is the common core tells us that all the other paraphernalia including creeds and holy books are redundant and even a distraction from the purpose of religion which presumably is communion with God. The creeds and the holy books and everything else are all accidents of history and therefore we should not be obsessive about them.
                Last edited by firstfloor; 01-26-2017, 07:09 AM.
                “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                “not all there” - you know who you are

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                • #9
                  So basically firstfloor is admitting he has a God complex.

                  Hey Firstfloor make a gold brick appear on my desk. That should be easy for a god.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    So basically firstfloor is admitting he has a God complex.

                    Hey Firstfloor make a gold brick appear on my desk. That should be easy for a god.
                    See now, you said something that added to the definition. This is bound to lead you astray. Resist embellishment.
                    “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                    “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                    “not all there” - you know who you are

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                      Doctrine:
                      Definition of God
                      1. God is expressed in the words and deeds of human beings.

                      God’s Revelation
                      1. None

                      Liturgy:
                      1. None

                      Cult:
                      1. None

                      Statement of Faith
                      1. None

                      Apologetic:
                      1. This doctrine cannot be justified other than by the common sense view that it is simple and therefore unlikely to offend anyone. It is considered important to avoid adding anything to the various aspects of the religion stated above.

                      But, is this a useful God?
                      Traditionally, Gods have had to do work in the community they serve in order to attract a degree of devotion. From the definition above we see that such work is exactly expressed by the actions of the devotees. The remaining question is whether this religion is able to attract devotion and mobilise good deeds in the same way that traditional religions have done.

                      The lack of liturgy, creed and so on seems to be a major drawback because without them there seems to be no reason to gather with other people to worship God – this last point is where most other religions go wrong – this God is ‘worshiped’ by our actions towards other people and other creatures in the world and nothing else.

                      So, instead of going inward, into our Church to worship God, in this religion we go outwards into the world and by our actions we worship God.

                      How to Join:
                      This religion has no name, no HQ, no mission, no meetings. Membership is free. All are welcome.

                      Finally, I am tempted to make the bold claim that so low is the barrier to membership that we are all, in fact, members of this great Church. Welcome fellow parishioners.
                      Very similar to the Unitarian Universalist Church, which has existed for many years.
                      Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                      Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                      But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                      go with the flow the river knows . . .

                      Frank

                      I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                        The fact that it is the common core tells us...
                        Does this "common core" talk to you often? Is the "common core" talking to you right now?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                          See now, you said something that added to the definition. This is bound to lead you astray. Resist embellishment.
                          But:
                          Definition of God
                          1. God is expressed in the words and deeds of human beings.

                          So do a deed, God. Make me a gold brick. Pirates like gold, ya know. It would be a good deed.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            So basically firstfloor is admitting he has a God complex.

                            Hey Firstfloor make a gold brick appear on my desk. That should be easy for a god.
                            And here I figured you'd ask for a ton of bacon

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              And here I figured you'd ask for a ton of bacon
                              Pirate. Gold. duh.

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