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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBut:
Definition of God
1. God is expressed in the words and deeds of human beings.
So do a deed, God. Make me a gold brick. Pirates like gold, ya know. It would be a good deed.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostVery similar to the Unitarian Universalist Church, which has existed for many years.
I am not sure yet whether it is a useful religion but it certainly is unimpeachable on rational grounds.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostPerhaps, but it is the core of every religion
The fact that it is the common core tells us that all the other paraphernalia including creeds and holy books are redundant
and even a distraction from the purpose of religion which presumably is communion with God.
The creeds and the holy books and everything else are all accidents of history and therefore we should not be obsessive about them."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostYou’re reading far too much into it. You need to strip away all your preconceptions about God and get back to the pure essence of the idea of God and then let it free. God is unconstrained so long as you pay no attention to ‘Him’. This is the true meaning of communion with God.
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostIn what way does this make creeds and writings redundant? Perhaps you mean "extraneous?"“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postso basically your god is nothing at all much like the content of your posts“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostIt’s just that whatever you know about God, I know a whole lot less. But by knowing nothing about God I do not detract from God but let Him do His thing unhindered by my expectations or petitions.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostGod is going to do "his thing" without your permission. To your regret one day.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf you are right, we will never know. If we are right, you will one day find out.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostEven Pascal's wager has no purchase in this framework.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postin your framework of nothing, sure. but in the real world where there is a God who will judge all people, you will be surprised. If you are right and there is no God but what you make up in your head, then when you die, you won't know anything, right or wrong.
You might be wrong. I can't be. Why? Because I refuse to say anything that I might be wrong about.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostDoctrine:
Definition of God
1. God is expressed in the words and deeds of human beings.
God’s Revelation
1. None
Liturgy:
1. None
Cult:
1. None
Statement of Faith
1. None
Apologetic:
1. This doctrine cannot be justified other than by the common sense view that it is simple and therefore unlikely to offend anyone. It is considered important to avoid adding anything to the various aspects of the religion stated above.
But, is this a useful God?
Traditionally, Gods have had to do work in the community they serve in order to attract a degree of devotion. From the definition above we see that such work is exactly expressed by the actions of the devotees. The remaining question is whether this religion is able to attract devotion and mobilise good deeds in the same way that traditional religions have done.
The lack of liturgy, creed and so on seems to be a major drawback because without them there seems to be no reason to gather with other people to worship God – this last point is where most other religions go wrong – this God is ‘worshiped’ by our actions towards other people and other creatures in the world and nothing else.
So, instead of going inward, into our Church to worship God, in this religion we go outwards into the world and by our actions we worship God.
How to Join:
This religion has no name, no HQ, no mission, no meetings. Membership is free. All are welcome.
Finally, I am tempted to make the bold claim that so low is the barrier to membership that we are all, in fact, members of this great Church. Welcome fellow parishioners.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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