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      Thanks for the info, you wascally wiccan.

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      Hopefully by January I'll be a wascally wiccan with more time on tweb.
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      The comments at the bottom of the article are assinine though.
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      Quote Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post


      The comments at the bottom of the article are assinine though.
      They usually are. Commenting on news articles is a simple game: any idiot can play, and 99% of them do.
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      And that's why I don't comment there as a matter of principle. Wouldn't want to have anyone confuse me with the rif-raf there. I like the rif-raf here more better!
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      Comments are the worst thing to happen to the internet

      Science makes me laugh...one unproven theory on top of another and all taken as fact. It's one big house of cards that requires more faith than religion.
      Well actually, science is a religion...

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      The shroud has been dated to the twelth century by carbon dating. Its a fraud.

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      Quote Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
      The shroud has been dated to the twelth century by carbon dating. Its a fraud.

      NEXT!
      There are all kinds of reasons the carbon dating was flawed. I believe in the Shroud as Jesus's.

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      Quote Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
      The shroud has been dated to the twelth century by carbon dating. Its a fraud.

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      The one in the article, or the Shroud of Turin?

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      Quote Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      The one in the article, or the Shroud of Turin?
      Turin--this shroud hasn't been carbon dated.
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      There are all kinds of reasons the carbon dating was flawed. I believe in the Shroud as Jesus's.
      So why did it have an image of His face when the Bible says His face was wrapped separately by a handkerchief?
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      There are all kinds of reasons the carbon dating was flawed. I believe in the Shroud as Jesus's.
      There are none. The only one that even has the potential of being true is if the experts made the error of taking the sample from a newly repaired section. There is no way that contaminations can account for it. It has been dated to the twelth century, that is all there is to be said about it. If there are doubts to the date, then retest it. Until then I'll consider it a sham. And I'll consider the fact that so many Apologists cling to their Turin Shroud, a testament to the general ability of Apologists to defend anything no matter how silly it is.

      I'm willing to listen to what questions you have on the dating mechanism. I really want to answer your questions on it, however I need to know exactly what you think is wrong with it. Why do you think it is reasonable to doubt the carbon-13 dating?
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      Quote Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
      There are none. The only one that even has the potential of being true is if the experts made the error of taking the sample from a newly repaired section. There is no way that contaminations can account for it. It has been dated to the twelth century, that is all there is to be said about it. If there are doubts to the date, then retest it. Until then I'll consider it a sham. And I'll consider the fact that so many Apologists cling to their Turin Shroud, a testament to the general ability of Apologists to defend anything no matter how silly it is.

      I'm willing to listen to what questions you have on the dating mechanism. I really want to answer your questions on it, however I need to know exactly what you think is wrong with it. Why do you think it is reasonable to doubt the carbon-13 dating?
      Aren't you aware there was a fire that would have infused the fabric with more recent carbon? And are you not aware of the pollen evidence that the Shroud comes from the Middle East 2000 years ago?
      I'm not Roman Catholic any more, so I have no axe to grind, but I was quite impressed with Wilson's book about the earlier incarnation of the Shroud as the Mandylion known in the East and particularly as from Edessa before the 400's.

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