Chicago Gang Leaders Want Meet With Trump...

[seer]

This might be interesting. Should Trump do it?


http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/02/...violent-crime/

[Andius]

I would say Trump should at least bite, just to see at least what terms are put on the table.

Negotiating with criminals is a revolting thing, but as Max Weber once said (to paraphrase)

"The ethics of responsibility sometimes oblige us to make decisions that wound the primary moral intuitions of a private citizen."

Just lowering the body count is not particularly encouraging, but it would be a start in putting order back in Chicago.

[Mountain Man]

Counting on gangs to restore law and order sounds a lot like hiring the fox to guard the henhouse.

[Andius]

Counting on gangs to restore law and order sounds a lot like hiring the fox to guard the henhouse.

Counting on gangs to restore law and order is not a prerogative in a negotiation of this kind.

[seer]

Counting on gangs to restore law and order sounds a lot like hiring the fox to guard the henhouse.

Actually I think it had a good effect in South Central if I remember correctly.

[Andius]

Counting on gangs to restore law and order sounds a lot like hiring the fox to guard the henhouse.

Actually I think it had a good effect in South Central if I remember correctly.

You remember well yes. Although as usual, things are hardly ever a black or white understanding of things.

To give you the closest example to my home. A 2012 truce of sorts was agreed upon between Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) and the Salvadorian government.

On the negative, MS-13 faked "reducing armament" purchasing at the last second armament of poor quality to give the appearance of "disarming" as agreed upon.

But on the positive, at least for 2012, the amounts of homicides DID go down, which is what everybody wanted in the first place. A shame the whole deal went to hell after 2012 with the new Salvadorian president (wielding an iron-fist approach to crime), reverting back to the murder-sprees prior to 2012.


It is important to be clear on the truces. Otherwise, they will constantly break as it occurred during the 1980-1990 period in Mexico. But to be fair, some of those "truces" weren't really truces, more like gentleman agreements with very little substance and clarity.


If the bulk of the Chicago gangs can be present acting as one body (no point negotiating if it's just a few fragmented gangs), brokered with Church folk, it may be worth the governments time to check it out, and perhaps pave the way to some good that U.S. Conservatives and Progressives actually agree and desire on.

[Cerebrum123]

Expect Trump as The Godfather memes is he actually decides to look into this.

[seer]

If the bulk of the Chicago gangs can be present acting as one body (no point negotiating if it's just a few fragmented gangs), brokered with Church folk, it may be worth the governments time to check it out, and perhaps pave the way to some good that U.S. Conservatives and Progressives actually agree and desire on.

I don't see what harm it would do, and it may actually do some real good. I would actually invite them to the White House, perhaps you would instill them with a sense of awe and reverence for our nation.

[Andius]

Expect Trump as The Godfather memes is he actually decides to look into this.

Oh the internet is way ahead... heheheheheheheheheh.

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[Andius]

I don't see what harm it would do, and it may actually do some real good. I would actually invite them to the White House, perhaps you would instill them with a sense of awe and reverence for our nation.

True true. Don't know if such feelings can be instilled, but the focus is to achieve cooperation using any but reasonable means if negotiations will be serious.

[seer]

True true. Don't know if such feelings can be instilled, but the focus is to achieve cooperation using any but reasonable means if negotiations will be serious.

See I spend most of the 80s in one of the most crime ridden housing projects on the east coast. Most of these young men have never left their city, nor do they feel invested in their country. Nor do they feel that their country is invested in them. I think a trip to our nation's capitol and an audience in the White House may enlighten their thinking. But like I said, it can't hurt.