Pride spirit Devil, used Constantine to lower Christians

[TyRockwell]

I also found this:

Although prior studies on this phenomenon had been done, the church's interest in Nicolaitanism coincided with the breakup and scattering of the church in the early 1990s. Papers on the subject, often linked with ideas about the heresy of Balaam, circulated from hand to hand and across the Internet. One can even argue that these papers' definitions of Nicolaitanism spurred and intensified the scattering of the brethren.

In the main, these papers defined Nicolaitanism as the belief and practice of hierarchical government, the scapegoat for all the church's problems, with an emphasis on tithing and using a paid ministry. "Nicolaitan" must therefore refer to a practice of abusive and dictatorial government and administration, which they assumed to be hierarchy.

from this:

http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuse...nism-Today.htm

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Ty, are you aware that site is run by non-trinitarian sabbath keeping heretics?

http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuse.../About.default

[TyRockwell]

thanks, but that doesn't really fit a first century dating of Revelation. Besides, Eusebius calls Nicolas a moral man on the same site. Why then would Christ hate his / his group's teaching?

Acts 6:5 is definitely 1st century.

Moral could mean he meant well.

[TyRockwell]

Ty, are you aware that site is run by non-trinitarian sabbath keeping heretics?

http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuse.../About.default

Don't know the site, I don't think the information is particular to any one group. It was one of sevaral links to Nicolas of Antioch.

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Acts 6:5 is definitely 1st century.

Moral could mean he meant well.

no, what I mean is second century and later church writings do not necessarily tie up with what Jesus actually referred to in Revelation 2. Acts 6:5 does not tell us what Nicolas' doctrine was, does it?

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Don't know the site, I don't think the information is particular to any one group. It was one of sevaral links to Nicolas of Antioch.

okay, that is quite telling. in other words, you don't check the validity of a source before you use it.

[TyRockwell]

It was one of several references to Nicolas.
If a Buddhist site quotes the Bible do you throw out the Bible?
The site was not the originator of the information.

Some early Church fathers, such as Irenaeus, seemed to think that all heresies were Gnosticism at root, and thus that any heretic was in a sense a Gnostic.
"Gnostic" seems to be the new charge to justify cessationism.

Modern scholar Michael A. Williams has argued that the whole category of "Gnosticism" is more trouble than it is worth.
He seems to have respectable credentials:

http://faculty.washington.edu/maw/williams.htm

[TyRockwell]

no, what I mean is second century and later church writings do not necessarily tie up with what Jesus actually referred to in Revelation 2. Acts 6:5 does not tell us what Nicolas' doctrine was, does it?

So you think the doctrine has to be found in the Bible. 2nd century source is inherently wrong. Right.

[Darth Executor]

Call me whatever you will but I had to reject O.T., the root of Islam, to efectivly elevate them to Christ's New Commands of LOVE through these 40 years. My down to earth experience caused it. you cant judge it from your ivory towers.

1. Turn the bold off.
2. While you're at it, leave the color alone. Black text on a white background is the universal color combination for reading without making your eyes bleed. Whenever I see a post like yours it makes me feel like I've been sucked into a Lovecraft novel and I half expect the incoherent rants they inevitably contain to trail off into "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl"
3. Christ's commandments of love are not new. They exist in some form in both the OT and other Jewish traditions. The reason why people find a non-existent discrepancy between the OT and NT is a lack of education, not because there actually is one. I recommend you start off with high school level English for a basic grasp on communication in general. The concept of "context" in particular should be quite useful, as should literary devices. Once you have a good grasp on analyzing a literary piece and can figure out who wrote it, why it was written, when it was written and for whom it was written and how this information helps you better understand the piece I recommend you move on to some proper education regarding history (Constantine conspiracy theories are not history) and ANE social studies. I'm not saying you have to go to a university and get a Masters in ancient history, but picking up a few books written by experts in the field on relevant subjects certainly wouldn't hurt.

[Anoetos]

This stuff is just kooky.

[stephen goswami]

1. Turn the bold off.
2. While you're at it, leave the color alone. Black text on a white background is the universal color combination for reading without making your eyes bleed. Whenever I see a post like yours it makes me feel like I've been sucked into a Lovecraft novel and I half expect the incoherent rants they inevitably contain to trail off into "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl"
3.I'm not saying you have to go to a university and get a Masters in ancient history, but picking up a few books written by experts in the field on relevant subjects certainly wouldn't hurt.

Thank you brother for your elaborate dictates. Certainly I am poor at english as i am an indian. Certainly my 5 years theology course in the catholic seminary was rubbish while yours is superb. i am stupid type of person. But i can understand that With your type of reasoning Hitler ordering genocide like Jehovah is also preaching love as Christ did!
I shall use the font and color what the majority here like.
I would like to advise you to remove that repulsing corpulent fogure in the signature line. May be he is responsible for the famine in our 3rd world.
Now the greatest Christian miracle workers here are illiterates.

[Crow]

Thank you brother for your elaborate dictates. Certainly I am poor at english as i am an indian.

No one expects perfect English from anyone.

Certainly my 5 years theology course in the catholic seminary was rubbish while yours is superb.

I'm glad you told us about your 5 years of theology study. We would have never guessed, never in a million years.

i am stupid type of person. But i can understand that With your type of reasoning Hitler ordering genocide like Jehovah is also preaching love as Christ did!

I wouldn't call that stupid. I would call that insane.

I shall use the font and color what the majority here like.

Thank you! It makes it much easier to read your posts if you don't look, at first glance, to be quoting yourself.

I would like to advise you to remove that repulsing corpulent fogure in the signature line. May be he is responsible for the famine in our 3rd world.

Is he stealing the food that your country produces? Is India at least partially responsible for it's own problems? Y'know, it's beaucoump easier to lay the blame for one's problems at someone else's feet. But when I look at a country with a history of internal strife, I have to think that just maybe that factors into it's problems at least a little. It's like my own little crazy theory that Africa isn't to blame for racism in the U.S.

Now the greatest Christian miracle workers here are illiterates.

Then by your own claim of 5 years of seminary training, you ain't among them.

Paul--a Pharisee, studied in theological law. Luke--a physician. People from all walks of life and all levels of study are shown to be both good and bad at coming into relationship with Christ in the scriptures. Christ Himself was discussing theology on the steps of the temple as a child. The scriptures don't praise ignorance or laud it as a "more Christian" state. Why do you?

[Darth Executor]

Thank you brother for your elaborate dictates. Certainly I am poor at english as i am an indian.

Your English isn't necessarily what needs fixing.

Certainly my 5 years theology course in the catholic seminary was rubbish while yours is superb. i am stupid type of person. But i can understand that With your type of reasoning Hitler ordering genocide like Jehovah is also preaching love as Christ did!

God never ordered genocide. That's one of the things you will begin to realize with better education.

I shall use the font and color what the majority here like.

Thank you very much.

I would like to advise you to remove that repulsing corpulent fogure in the signature line. May be he is responsible for the famine in our 3rd world.

If you have a problem with the individual in my signature, you should be happy to know that it represents a fellow twebber which I warmly encourage you to contact via PM and take your grievances straight to him. Here's a direct link for your convenience:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/pr...=newpm&u=14523

[stephen goswami]

God never ordered genocide. That's one of the things you will begin to realize with better education.

It is useless to reason with one who refuses the statement of the book they put forward.