We are in the Christian Millennium today!

[DesertBerean]

what is it about eschatology that makes people go crazy?

Because we can get a bit excited (understatement, granted) thinking we know when Jesus will put a stop to the present madness.

[timspong]

I've been premillennial, amillennial and am now flirting with postmillennialism. The more I learn about eschatology, the less certain I become about any of it, despite many many hours of study with each view in mind.

I think there is a great need to stand back from it and not commit to any particular view too soon. They have all got pro's and con's and each have a plethora of "proof texts" that can easily convince in isolation of the others.

Personally I think eschatology is the last piece of the puzzle that can only start to take shape once the rest of your theology and biblical metanarrative are somewhat nailed down. If you nail down your eschatology first, it could easily distort correct thinking in other areas of theology.

Pan millennialism is becoming very popular (where they say: "it will all pan out in the end"), however, I feel that this view does tend to ignore the problem rather than deal with it.

Despite my lack of a conclusive view, I have found the whole study of eschatology to be extremely enlightening and edifying and well worth the effort.

[Teluog]

Personally I think eschatology is the last piece of the puzzle that can only start to take shape once the rest of your theology and biblical metanarrative are somewhat nailed down. If you nail down your eschatology first, it could easily distort correct thinking in other areas of theology.

That's why I tell people that I'm saving the last things for the last things.

[dan b]

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[Raphael]

Are you still punting the book you wrote in pencil crayon?


I see you had change of domain though.

[Jedidiah]

We are in the Christian Millennium today because the Christian Calendar tells us so. • Edited by a Moderator •. It isn't important whether we realize this at all. We a each responsible for our own behaviour regardless.

We have always been responsible for our own behavior.

[DesertBerean]

Good gracious I don't recall my post at all. It is inane. Must have been the sugar high.

[Bill the Cat]

We are in the Christian Millennium today because the Christian Calendar tells us so. • Edited by a Moderator •. It isn't important whether we realize this at all. We a each responsible for our own behaviour regardless.

Still funny after 2 years...

[MegaHertz]

The verses below applied to the Apostles, the ones from Revelation mention a period that id the last 42 months of that time created in 70AD.

Lu:21:17-24:
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
In your patience possess ye your souls.
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies,
then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;
and let them which are in the midst of it depart out;
and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
For these be the days of vengeance,
that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
But woe unto them that are with child,
and to them that give suck,
in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land,
and wrath upon this people.
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,
and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Re:11:2:
But the court which is without the temple leave out,
and measure it not;
for it is given unto the Gentiles:
and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

[dan b]

We are in the "hour of temptation" today which is correspondent to the 40 years of temptation in the desert for the ancient tribes of Israel. In Rev.3;12 it says that we will be in this temptation for 40 years. Noah also sat waiting in his ark for 40 days of Rainfall.

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[micah719]

How can we be in the Millenium of Rev 20, and yet be in Rev 3? Sorry, too much confusion and date setting. Harold repented of it, please follow his example.

[RBerman]

How can we be in the Millenium of Rev 20, and yet be in Rev 3?

You appear to be operating under the belief that Revelation is a chronological record. Why is that?

[micah719]

You appear to be operating under the belief that Revelation is a chronological record. Why is that?

Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Rev 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:


It should be evident from the structure of the Book. The letters to the churches (the things which are); for instance the Philadelphians are promised to be kept from the hour of trial, whereas the Laodiceans are warned they are being spewed out into it. After that, the things which shall be hereafter; the seal judgements, of which the seventh seal precedes the trumpet judgements, which precede the bowl judgements....the whole course of history since the Resurrection to the close of the age and the Eternal Kingdom of God. Sequential, with expanding explanations and descriptions of pertinent characters and events.

Obviously, I'm not a preterist or amillenialist. And while my soteriology is firmly Reformed, classic 5 point Calvinist sovereign grace, I depart that model in the matters of baptism (non-paedobaptist), non-covenant theology (girls can't be circumcised so there are difficulties paralleling circumcision to baptism...), I reject nicolaitanism, and am certainly not so dogmatically paralysed to believe that the pope is the antichrist; certainly that man and his cult are devlish, but do not quite fit the man of sin...yet.

[Ladybug823]

Based on this thread and other research on "the end times" I could still die tomorrow, Christ could still return tomorrow, heck it could be in 6 hours, or it might not be for the next several thousand years. The fact is we just don't know. So as a result treat every day as your last, don't spend it trying to figure out things that are not meant to be known to us and that cannot be known to us. We are supposed to always be faithful whether the end is nigh or not, whether we live through tomorrow or not. I guess this is why I claim no stance on when or how all this stuff will happen.

[micah719]

Luk 12:35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
Luk 12:36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
Luk 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
Luk 12:38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
Luk 12:39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
Luk 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
Luk 12:41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
Luk 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
Luk 12:43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Luk 12:44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Mar 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
Mar 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
Mar 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Mar 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mar 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
Mar 13:34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Mar 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
Mar 13:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
Mar 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
2Ti 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.