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Emerson College Poll: more people trust Trump than the Media.

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    For people who are supposed to be so smart and educated, y'all say some really dumb things.
    Can I just mention Japan again. Average IQ 7pts higher than US and is very conservative.

    They just can't seem to grasp that it's actually a case of intelligent=indoctrinated in their case.
    “I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.” - C.S. Lewis

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Darth Ovious View Post
      Can I just mention Japan again. Average IQ 7pts higher than US and is very conservative.

      They just can't seem to grasp that it's actually a case of intelligent=indoctrinated in their case.
      Yep. "Higher education" in the US may as well be called "higher indoctrination".
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        Yep. "Higher education" in the US may as well be called "higher indoctrination".
        Except in your own case that is! Right MM?

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        • #19
          CBS News host says Trump didn't destroy the media's reputation, they destroyed it themselves.

          http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/...on-on-its-own/
          Last edited by Mountain Man; 02-17-2017, 04:49 PM.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            CBS News host says Trump didn't destroy the media's reputation, they destroyed it themselves.

            http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/...on-on-its-own/
            CBS’ Face the Nation anchor John Dickerson told Hugh Hewitt on the latter's radio show that "The press did all that good work ruining its reputation on its own."

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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            • #21
              Did everyone watch Trump's rambly press conference where he attacked news outlets as fake news and downgraded CNN from 'fake news' to 'very fake news'? It was quite a good show.

              The 'fake' news media had quite a lot of say about it... e.g. Toronto Star:
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                There's this thing called Dunning-Kruger which you might have heard of that means that a not-smart not-educated person won't be able to understand the things the smart educated people are saying and that the not-smart not-educated person won't realize how dumb what they themselves are saying actually is. Have you considered how it might apply to you?
                Guy's I"m afraid it will be at least 6 months to a year before we can get more irony meters all the irony meters in the world just got blown up.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Did everyone watch Trump's rambly press conference where he attacked news outlets as fake news and downgraded CNN from 'fake news' to 'very fake news'? It was quite a good show.

                  The 'fake' news media had quite a lot of say about it... e.g. Toronto Star:
                  The sad thing is that conservatives here don't seem to understand what Trump is up to. He's following the Putin playbook, just like he follows the Roy Cohn playbook. Putin spent his entire first year in office trying to deligitimize the press which he did fairly successfully. Now the only news in Russia is the news that Putin wants heard. Trump said yesterday, the N.Y. Times, CBS, ABC, NBC, and CNN aren't my enemy, they are the enemy of the people. Will you conservatives here ever wake up?

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                  • #24
                    But of course you had no problem when Obama marginalized conservative media, and the liberal press was studiously disinterested in any of the numerous scandals that plagued the Obama administration.

                    CBS's John Dickerson says Trump isn't destroying the liberal media, they're destroying themselves.

                    Source: Breitbart

                    On Friday’s “Hugh Hewitt Show,” CBS’s “Face the Nation” moderator John Dickerson stated that the public doesn’t believe the media anymore “and it’s not because of anything obviously Donald Trump did. The press did all that good work ruining its reputation on its own, and we can have a long conversation about what created that. Part of it, though, is…a lot of hysterical coverage about every little last thing that doesn’t warrant it.”

                    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/...on-on-its-own/

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                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #25
                      Not to mention the fact that distrust of the media started way before Trump was even a political contender. Here's a story from 2010 lamenting the public's distrust of the press:

                      https://www.theatlantic.com/business...but-why/63745/
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        But of course you had no problem when Obama marginalized conservative media, and the liberal press was studiously disinterested in any of the numerous scandals that plagued the Obama administration.

                        CBS's John Dickerson says Trump isn't destroying the liberal media, they're destroying themselves.

                        Source: Breitbart

                        On Friday’s “Hugh Hewitt Show,” CBS’s “Face the Nation” moderator John Dickerson stated that the public doesn’t believe the media anymore “and it’s not because of anything obviously Donald Trump did. The press did all that good work ruining its reputation on its own, and we can have a long conversation about what created that. Part of it, though, is…a lot of hysterical coverage about every little last thing that doesn’t warrant it.”

                        http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/...on-on-its-own/

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                        Liberals for the most part ignored how poorly Obama treated the press and the press itself largely smiled and masochistically took what he handed out because he was the Obamessiah and most of it was directed toward conservatives.

                        Source: WHY IT'LL BE HARD FOR TRUMP TO SURPASS OBAMA'S RECORD OF CHILLING PRESS FREEDOM


                        ‘Folks like Rush Limbaugh, some commentators on Fox News, that hot house ... has been harmful to the country’


                        Many in the mainstream media are reacting with righteous indignation over comments from a senior Trump adviser suggesting the administration views the traditional media as an opponent. But if we're to take these apostles of press freedom seriously, they should first explain why the Trump Administration is worse than the Obama Administration.

                        After all, the Obama Administration literally tried imprisoning an uncooperative journalist, monitored journalists' every digital move, and "hammered" at least one challenging reporter with IRS audits.

                        Let's rewind the tape.

                        The Obama Administration began with lofty promises of being "the most transparent administration in history." Instead it ended up setting a record, by the Associated Press's count, for denying the most Freedom of Information Act requests.

                        As the administration's popularity began tumbling early into its first year, the Obama White House declared war on Fox News. The White House director of communications, Anita Dunn, warned they would henceforth treat Fox News "like an opponent," insisting, "we don’t need to pretend that this is the way that legitimate news organizations behave."

                        The Obama administration made good on that threat. Soon thereafter, the administration sought to deny Fox News' participation in executive branch news-making events -- which only failed after other networks admirably refused to participate if Fox News were excluded.

                        As you'll see in the montage above, President Obama blamed Fox News and talk radio for virtually every problem his administration encountered, warning in his waning days that these "domestic propagandists" were far more damaging to America than any interference from hostile powers like Russia.

                        When Fox News's State Department correspondent, James Rosen, reported accurate information about North Korea leaked by a member of the Obama State Department, Eric Holder ordered his movements to be tracked, his phone records seized, and went "judge shopping" until he found one willing to grant such a warrant without telling Rosen himself. Holder even told Google to not notify Rosen that the government was monitoring his email.

                        "To treat a reporter as a criminal for doing his job — seeking out information the government doesn’t want made public — deprives Americans of the First Amendment freedom on which all other constitutional rights are based," the Washington Post wrote at the time.

                        And it wasn't just Fox News. The New York Times's James Risen was targeted for almost the entirety of Obama's two terms. His crime? Reporting accurate information the Obama Administration didn't want reported. "Along the way, we found out that the government had spied on virtually every aspect of James Risen’s digital life from phone calls, to emails, to credit card statements, bank records and more," the Freedom of the Press Foundation reported. After the Supreme Court rejected Risen's appeal of an earlier order mandating he testify about the source of information he reported, Risen faced jail time.

                        After an outcry, Holder finally backed down.

                        The Associated Press experienced similar surveillance. For two months, the Department of Justice tracked 20 AP reporters' calls, ostensibly over their reporting into a Libyan terrorist's failed plot. Why was reporting on a failed plot so threatening? The AP said it was because the administration wanted to announce the news itself.

                        Obama himself was notorious for granting interviews with journalists whom he knew would treat him gently -- like Steve Kroft. When Obama accidentally exposed himself to a mildly challenging interview with a local reporter in Saint Louis, that reporter was later "hammered" with IRS audits.

                        With the Obama Administration, the message to the media was always clear: Report negatively about us, and we'll use the powers at our disposal to make you suffer consequences.

                        If those journalists currently complaining about the Trump Administration found no such fault with the Obama Administration, perhaps it's because they were all too willing to toe the line.



                        Source

                        © Copyright Original Source



                        Now imagine if Trump started tracking a bunch of reporters phone calls, not because they were publishing classified information, but merely because they had published a story that Trump wanted to be the first to release. Or sicced the IRS after reporters who asked tough questions. The howls of outrage would be heard far and wide and those would be the lead stories for days on end as scowling left-wing pundits and politicians would be calling for impeachment.
                        Last edited by rogue06; 02-18-2017, 10:12 AM.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Did everyone watch Trump's rambly press conference where he attacked news outlets as fake news and downgraded CNN from 'fake news' to 'very fake news'? It was quite a good show.

                          The 'fake' news media had quite a lot of say about it... e.g. Toronto Star:
                          What's really interesting about the news conference is how people can see it in vastly different lights:
                          Source: Patriot Post

                          Donald Trump held a White House news conference Thursday in what turned into a presidential dressing down — he took the mainstream media to the woodshed.

                          Trump, clearly most comfortable in his off-the-cuff style, took umbrage with the Leftmedia’s coverage of his presidency, saying, “The media is trying to attack our administration because they know we are following through on pledges we made, and they’re not happy about it.... You know, you’re dishonest people. But I’m not ranting and raving. I love this. I’m having a good time doing it.”

                          We could tell.

                          © Copyright Original Source



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                          • #28
                            I'll tell y'all what to believe. You can trust me.
                            The last Christian left at tweb

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Trout View Post
                              I'll tell y'all what to believe. You can trust me.
                              I trust you implicitly, fish-boi. Which way is upstream again?
                              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Darth Ovious View Post
                                Can I just mention Japan again. Average IQ 7pts higher than US and is very conservative.

                                They just can't seem to grasp that it's actually a case of intelligent=indoctrinated in their case.
                                Not only that, but the articles in question only compares their IQs as children to their political views as young adults. We really don't hear if their views change later in life. Just another way for those like starlight to feel superior without being superior in any way.
                                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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