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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostStarlight is once again exhibiting his profound ignorance concerning Christianity. What he offers is even beyond straw man depictions
Yup.
I wanted his source. I know he doesn't have one, at least scripturally.
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostDon't you live in Canada?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostYup.
I wanted his source. I know he doesn't have one, at least scripturally.Last edited by Terraceth; 02-17-2017, 10:08 PM.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostYup.
I wanted his source. I know he doesn't have one, at least scripturally.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI preferred Trump to Hillary precisely because of the sort of reactions it's producing in the US population. Hopefully it will wake up millennials and get them into politics and voting for the rest of their lives.
It's also showing a very dark side to conservatives where they hate liberals more than they care about their country, so as they burn down their country and everyone in it they're happy because they can see liberals suffering. It's kinda like the old horrible Christian doctrine that part of the saints' joy in heaven comes from seeing the sinners suffering in hell, but modified so that everyone is in hell but some feel good about it because their hatred for others burns brighter than the flames so they're getting joy out of the suffering of others.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostChapter and verse, please.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI preferred Trump to Hillary precisely because of the sort of reactions it's producing in the US population. Hopefully it will wake up millennials and get them into politics and voting for the rest of their lives.
Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt's also showing a very dark side to conservatives where they hate liberals more than they care about their country, so as they burn down their country and everyone in it they're happy because they can see liberals suffering. It's kinda like the old horrible Christian doctrine that part of the saints' joy in heaven comes from seeing the sinners suffering in hell, but modified so that everyone is in hell but some feel good about it because their hatred for others burns brighter than the flames so they're getting joy out of the suffering of others.
Btw, considering your hatred for everything about the U.S. you should be pleased rather than griping.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI preferred Trump to Hillary....Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostNo you didn't. You were the one gibbering about the Trumpocalypse when it became clear he had a good shot at winning.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostI believe it comes from Thomas Aquinas's work Summa Theologica (specifically, Question 94 of the Supplement).
Tertullian, De Spectaculis, Chapter 30
"Which sight gives me joy? As I see... illustrious monarchs... groaning in the lowest darkness, Philosophers... as fire consumes them! Poets trembling before the judgment-seat of... Christ! I shall hear the tragedians, louder-voiced in their own calamity; view play-actors... in the dissolving flame; behold wrestlers, not in their gymnasia, but tossing in the fiery billows... What inquisitor or priest in his munificence will bestow on you the favor of seeing and exulting in such things as these? Yet even now we in a measure have them by faith in the picturings of imagination.”
Peter Lombard, Sentences, iv 50
The elect will behold the torture of the impious and as they see them they will not grieve. Their minds will be sated with joy as they gaze on the unspeakable anguish of the impious, returning thanks for their own freedom.
Aquinas, Summa Theologica supplement question 94
in order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful to them and that they may render more copious thanks to God for it, they are allowed to see perfectly the sufferings of the damned....
That the saints may enjoy their beatitude more thoroughly, and give more abundant thanks for it to God, a perfect sight of the punishment of the damned is granted them.
Jonathan Edwards, "The Eternity of Hell Torments" in The Wrath of Almighty God
The view of the misery of the damned will double the ardor of the love and gratitude of the saints in heaven...
The sight of hell torments will exalt the happiness of the saints forever.
While Thomas Aquinas is certainly very respected by some, his works are not doctrine. In fact, even if his writings were doctrine, this still wouldn't count, because it comes from the Supplement to Summa Theologica. Aquinas died before completing Summa Theologica, so someone else added the Supplement to complete it.
Originally posted by mossrose View PostI wanted his source. I know he doesn't have one, at least scripturally.
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make... all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord. And they shall go out and look at the dead bodies of the people who have rebelled against me; for their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.
As a result theologians have grappled with the questions of (a) what knowledge do the saints have of those in hell? and (b) how does that knowledge make them feel? Due to this passage, and also Jesus' parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, and also a philosophical belief that the saints in heaven will have a great deal of knowledge given to them by God, a lot of theologians have come down on the side of believing that the saints have a great deal of knowledge about the torments being experienced by those suffering in hell. (e.g. Augustine of Hippo: "those who shall be in torment shall not know what is going on within the joy of the Lord; but they who shall enter into that joy shall know what is going on outside in the outer darkness." City of God 20:22) As to the question of how the knowledge makes them feel, theologians have tended to trip over themselves to reassure anxious believers that they won't feel bad about any family or friends that end up in hell and that their own experience of heaven won't be forever-tainted by the thought of someone else suffering... their explanations as to why have been varied but a common go-to idea is that you'll approve so much of the justice of God that you'll view their suffering as a good thing and not a bad thing and thus something to take joy in not something to feel sorry for.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostStarlight is once again exhibiting his profound ignorance concerning Christianity. What he offers is even beyond straw man depictionsOriginally posted by Mountain Man View PostThen he'll try and convince us that his interpretation is the "original" meaning and that he knows better than centuries of Christian tradition."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI believe the theoretical Trumpocalypse was the reason for stars preference for Trump. It may not snap far right ideologues out of their delusions, it certainly won't move the deplorables in that party, but it might finally wake up the liberals from their sleep, as well as the sane moderates on both sides.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostTrue. But there are others.
Tertullian, De Spectaculis, Chapter 30
"Which sight gives me joy? As I see... illustrious monarchs... groaning in the lowest darkness, Philosophers... as fire consumes them! Poets trembling before the judgment-seat of... Christ! I shall hear the tragedians, louder-voiced in their own calamity; view play-actors... in the dissolving flame; behold wrestlers, not in their gymnasia, but tossing in the fiery billows... What inquisitor or priest in his munificence will bestow on you the favor of seeing and exulting in such things as these? Yet even now we in a measure have them by faith in the picturings of imagination.”
Note that this is all about those who arrogantly lifted themselves up against and persecuted Christians, which Starlight conveniently left out.
Of course, Tertullian is also infamous for his excessive rigorism and Montanism, so he's hardly a banner of orthodoxy.
The other examples he managed to dredge up are from the post-schism West.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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