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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbballman31 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    I do not spoon feed the intentional ignorant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
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    We love you too, Tass Guy the Scientism Guy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    Why should I do your job for you?
    Your the who asked me to do your laundry. It is your problem that you are not will to read the references and do the homework. At present you have an F-.

    For example in the course of this thread Boxing Pythagoris does do the homework and responds intelligently to the thread when responding in the dialogue.


    Quote Originally Posted by mattdamore
    At this point, I need to use characters for the Greek alphabet, which I don't have. I'll use an English transliteration, but I apologize if this is cause for confusion. I'll try my best to be as clear as I can.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boxing Pythagoris
    Most fonts support Greek and Hebrew characters, these days, but you'll have to use some extra manner of accessing them-- for example, the Charmap program in Windows or http://typegreek.com/

    Another option, and the one which I prefer, is to use LaTeX formatted images. This tool is very helpful in that regard: http://www.codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php

    Omega = Aleph null - [Omega is the first infinite ordinal. Aleph null is first infinite cardinal: the set of all natural numbers. The set of all natural numbers is countably infinite. - The sets above this point are all finite.]
    It is not quite true that . The cardinality of omega is Aleph null, but ordinals and cardinals are very different sorts of numbers. We can't just equate them in this way. For example, it is true that ; however, we know that . Saying that these two numbers equal one another would make our mathematics inconsistent.
    Quote Originally Posted by mattdamore
    As I said, I am a rank amateur when it comes to this concept, and I have probably made mistakes above. Any contribution or clarification is most welcome.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boxing Pythagoris
    In general, it is useful to note the difference between ordinal and cardinal numbers. Ordinals, as their name implies, are a description of how elements of a set may be ordered. Cardinals, on the other hand, are a description of how the elements of one set can be mapped onto another. So, ω describes the first number which is ordinally greater than any Natural number, in transfinite arithmetic. On the other hand, represents the cardinality of any set which can be mapped with 1-to-1 correspondence onto the Natural numbers.
    I have consistently followed and agree with Boxing Pythagoris's view of Math concerning infinities/ Where are you at?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boxing Pythagoras
    Calculus is a tool for calculating actually infinite sets of objects, and this tool can be used to describe the workings of the real world with incredible accuracy, as Newton demonstrated with his celestial mechanics. There is some philosophical debate, however, as to whether such tools are just decent idealizations which provide reasonable approximations of reality, or whether they accurately describe reality.

    I'm a Formalist when it comes to the philosophy of mathematics, so I think ALL mathematics is a purely abstract means of describing the real world-- including basic arithmetic. However, there are ways in which this abstraction can be more or less accurate in its description of the world.
    Actually, doing your own homework can amount to simply reading Boxing Pythagoris's posts.
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