Abortion

**yo lunch** · May 15th 2010, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by Jedidiah

No response just means you are a troll who does not deserve answers. If you want to join in discussion stop acting like a jackass. There are plenty around who feed trolls. I just did not think Sparky was one of them.

Jackass or not, a so-called "Troll" still has ideas and a viewpoint that is supposed be expressed and debated with Christians here in this forum! One should not avoid the subject simply because you don't like the one who presents it! Where is such an attitude condoned in the Bible? The example of Jesus is that he went into the den of the enemy! Get with it! Debate, seriously!

**yo lunch** · May 15th 2010, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Sparko

You are quoting a 400 year old english translation first of all. You are assuming that "her fruit depart" her means the baby died. But it doesn't say that. giving a premature birth is also "departing her" isn't it? and that is how the NIV translates it. premature birth.

the word for "depart" in hebrew is yatsa

and it means:

to cause to go or come out, bring out, lead out
to bring out of
to lead out
to deliver

so a premature birth or unexpected delivery is a better translation in modern english than "depart"

and mischief could mean either the mother or baby dying.

Hmmmmm! So, a book that was good for nearly 400 years is no longer any good? Just think of the millions of people who were led astray by the "Inspired Word of God!" The horror of it all! How could the "All-knowing God" not have forseen that His Word would be so mal-treated and misunderstood and that millions of souls would be lost because they did not get the original meaning of His message?! Mercy! Mercy!

Thanks for doing the Lord's work for Him and telling me the real meaning here!

**Jedidiah** · May 15th 2010, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by yo lunch

Hmmmmm! So, a book that was good for nearly 400 years is no longer any good? Just think of the millions of people who were led astray by the "Inspired Word of God!" The horror of it all! How could the "All-knowing God" not have forseen that His Word would be so mal-treated and misunderstood and that millions of souls would be lost because they did not get the original meaning of His message?

This is the kind of idiocy I was referring to. You choose to not " Debate, seriously!"

**Challenger Grim** · May 15th 2010, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by yo lunch

Jackass or not, a so-called "Troll" still has ideas and a viewpoint

No... no you don't.

When you do get an idea or viewpoint, we'll still be here.

**yo lunch** · May 16th 2010, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Challenger Grim

No... no you don't.

When you do get an idea or viewpoint, we'll still be here.

None are so blind as he who will not see!

**yo lunch** · May 16th 2010, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Jedidiah

This is the kind of idiocy I was referring to. You choose to not " Debate, seriously!"

I am being serious. I seriously wonder how you can dismiss a book that has stood you in good stead for 400 years?!

**Challenger Grim** · May 16th 2010, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by yo lunch

None are so blind as he who will not see!

Yes, you prove that with every post.

**yo lunch** · May 16th 2010, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Challenger Grim

Yes, you prove that with every post.

True, you and yours prove it with severe cases of myopia in your idiotic responses!

**Cybelle Hawke** · May 16th 2010, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by yo lunch

True, you and yours prove it with severe cases of myopia in your idiotic responses!

@yo lunch
I think you are way out of line. Why do you have to be so uncivilized?

Moreover Exodus 21, which you brought into this thread, has nothing to do with abortion in no matter what translation, since the verses you quote refer to a fight involving a pregnant woman. I understand that you brought this part of the bible into this discussion as one of the members mentioned something about harm to the mother, but if it is only to divert this thread to your absurdity-busting-hobby, then I suggest you put Exodus 21 on your personal thread on the apologetics forum!

**Cybelle Hawke** · May 16th 2010, 02:08 PM

As to abortion, I would like to know if any of you consider rape and incest a legit motive to consider abortion.

**Manwë Súlimo** · May 16th 2010, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by Cybelle Hawke

As to abortion, I would like to know if any of you consider rape and incest a legit motive to consider abortion.

No. Murdering a growing human being doesn't do anything whatsoever to help the rape or incest.

**Cybelle Hawke** · May 16th 2010, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Manwë Súlimo

No. Murdering a growing human being doesn't do anything whatsoever to help the rape or incest.

I totally agree with you but I find it very interesting that you, a man, say this. Most men I have met professionally in cases of severe rape, are the ones who have most problems with a growing human in the body of their beloved one. Their emotional involvement is extreme fanatic and they have real problems in separating the new life from the way how it was put there.

**Challenger Grim** · May 16th 2010, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Cybelle Hawke

I totally agree with you but I find it very interesting that you, a man, say this. Most men I have met professionally in cases of severe rape, are the ones who have most problems with a growing human in the body of their beloved one. Their emotional involvement is extreme fanatic and they have real problems in separating the new life from the way how it was put there.

I've never understood why incest was listed under the exceptions in the first place...

As far as rape goes, pregnancy happens so rarely (i've heard anywhere from 4% to less), that making an exception or not seems hardly worth considering. I mean, let it be a case by case basis.

**Jedidiah** · May 16th 2010, 08:45 PM

I would support an exception in the case of rape (reported at the time of the occurrence), but only if abortion was banned under all other circumstances (oh, throw in incest if you will). That would be far better than what we have now. I am opposed to abortion in general and this would only be to toss a sop to baby killers.

**Manwë Súlimo** · May 16th 2010, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Cybelle Hawke

I totally agree with you but I find it very interesting that you, a man, say this. Most men I have met professionally in cases of severe rape, are the ones who have most problems with a growing human in the body of their beloved one. Their emotional involvement is extreme fanatic and they have real problems in separating the new life from the way how it was put there.

No matter how the baby got there, it is there and it deserves a chance at life. Condemning it to death for the sin of its father shouldn't even be considered, IMO. Abortion should only ever be considered MAYBE if the mother's life is at risk; and even then I have mixed feelings.