Arguments plz

[Rational Gaze]

I am interested in hearing Mormon arguments against Christianity and for Mormonism.

This is not a debate thread, I just want to hear the best Mormons have to offer and give these arguments a fair trial.

Thank you.

[OtherCheek]

I am interested in hearing Mormon arguments against Christianity and for Mormonism.

This is not a debate thread, I just want to hear the best Mormons have to offer and give these arguments a fair trial.

Thank you.

Since Mormons (LDS) consider themselves Christian, the question might be re-worded:

"I am interested in hearing Mormon arguments in favor of a Restoration instead of Orthodoxy."

Even then, I don't think arguments are a very good convincer on matters of faith and belief.

[Manwë Súlimo]

Even then, I don't think arguments are a very good convincer on matters of faith and belief.

Um?

[One Bad Pig]

Um?

Hey, he's being honest. He has yet to come across an argument that trumps his burning bosom. It could also be why he doesn't seem to put too much effort into his own arguments.

[OtherCheek]

Hey, he's being honest. He has yet to come across an argument that trumps his burning bosom. It could also be why he doesn't seem to put too much effort into his own arguments.

If your arguments were to cause me to reject my beliefs, I might feel different about the power of argumentation.

[One Bad Pig]

If your arguments were to cause me to reject my beliefs, I might feel different about the power of argumentation.

I'm sure you would.

[wonbyone]

Hey, he's being honest. He has yet to come across an argument that trumps his burning bosom. It could also be why he doesn't seem to put too much effort into his own arguments.

[Hamster]

Arguments, reason, learning, etc. bolster our faith. It seems to harm the faith of some of the LDS that frequent this message board.

[JAYMZ]

If your arguments were to cause me to reject my beliefs, I might feel different about the power of argumentation.

It is the well reasoned argument + the Holy Spirit that changes hearts.

It is hearing the gospel + the Holy Spirit that brings people to Christ.

[jo7241974]

Jesus taught us that many false christs would come. Never have the LDS claimed to be Christ. Neither have we ever claimed that others who believe in Christ are believing in the wrong Christ. In fact, orthodoxy preaches that they have the only true Christ, and deny Christ to anyone who does not agree with their version of Christ.

Christ is universal. Who is teaching the non-universal Christ? He that has ears, let him hear.

This thread has already received posts by individuals whose only reason for being here is to preach anti-LDS propaganda.

So be it.

God bless,

jo

[mostlyharmless]

Jesus taught us that many false christs would come. Never have the LDS claimed to be Christ.

So doctrine about Christ is important.

Neither have we ever claimed that others who believe in Christ are believing in the wrong Christ.

Now its not.

Christ is universal. Who is teaching the non-universal Christ? He that has ears, let him hear.

Now it matters again.


Hmm.....

Blessings

[jo7241974]

mostlyharmless;2914159]So doctrine about Christ is important.

Now its not.

Now it matters again.

Hmm.....

Blessings

Yes, what Jesus taught is important. Especially because orthodoxy has "officially" determined who their Christ is. In their fear of being led astray, they decided to provide a portrait of what they thought Christ should look like. If someone does not agree that the Jesus they believe in looks exactly like their drawing, then obviously that person believes in a false Christ and cannot be called Christian.

OTOH, the Christ of general Christendom and the Christ of the LDS belongs to everybody. His picture is not what is important to us. His teachings are. He was crucified for all of mankind. Anyone who believes in Him and who has faith in Him can be saved. He taught us to believe and have faith in Him, not in man's concept of Him.

It appears to me that it is orthodoxy who created a false christ by making him look only one certain way. They claim that their picture of Him determines His only likeness, and have made Him exclusively theirs.

I believe fear was the weakness Satan used against man when orthodoxy created this version of Christ and caused them to claim this version to be the only correct one.. Satan has caused them to be blind to the fact that they have created a false christ. The very fact that they believe only their christ is correct should be a big warning signal to them. For them to believe that only they are saved because they believe in the "correct" Jesus is an affront to Jesus Himself. Only a false christ determined and created in the minds of mankind would make such a claim.

They scoff at our belief that it is possible for us to become like God sometime in eternity. Yet they already claim the abilities and powers of God because they have been able to determine who God is, what He looks like, and even who is saved. Wow.

God bless,

jo

[Hamster]

Goss updates us about the possibility of a gay/bisexual Christ, a gay-friendly Bible, and the attitudes about homosexuality in the churches today. Goss also discusses the spiritual dimensions of gay sex in more generic terms, sometimes in a very explicit manner. However, this book is more of a summary, and it often requires us to go directly to the sources that Goss mentions in order to flesh out his arguments.

Jesus loves gay people and blesses same-sex unions. Anyone who denies this is denying the universal love of Jesus out of fear and hate.

Our Jesus is just as valid as your Jesus. Jesus has revealed these things to our heart. Any church which denies us our rights, given to us by God, is being led by Satan. Either directly or indirectly.

[Sparko]

Othercheek's Law #1: arguments are only good if the LDS make them. if anyone else makes an argument, then arguments are bad and you should rely only on the Holy Ghost.

Corollary #1 - Ditto for "evidence" of any kind.

[nrajeff]

I am interested in hearing Mormon arguments against Christianity and for Mormonism.

---I don't feel like being as nice and diplomatic with my response, as OtherCheek was with his. The thing you say you are "interested in hearing" is fallacious because it's based on a false, or at least an unproven, premise--the premise that arguments for Mormonism are, by definition, against Christianity.

Why don't you first take care of your burden of demonstating the validity of your premise? Then you might be in a position to ask for these arguments you say you are interested in hearing.

(Hint: Don't fall for the ALSO-fallacious reasoning that whatever faction of Christianity that YOU belong to, is representative of ALL of Christianity, past and present.)

This is not a debate thread,

---Too bad. If you start a thread that was based on inflammatory and fallacious rhetoric, then don't be too suprised if people challenge your assertions.

I just want to hear the best Mormons have to offer and give these arguments a fair trial.

--"Fair trial"--LOL. Seems more likely that you have already rendered your verdict in your own head, and you just want evidence, ex post facto, that will confirm your already-made judgment. Like a Klingon trial.