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  • #91
    So apparently The Thinker (there is a misnomer if there ever was one) is of the opinion that someone who has jumped through all the hoops to satisfy the immigration department that they will provide a valuable contribution to the country, and satisfied all the legal and financial requirements, is on a par with an illegal immigrant?

    No wonder you cannot comprehend the fact that people aren't complaining about legal immigration.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by The Thinker View Post
      I have no problem with a wall.

      But I think that some of the illegals who have not committed additional crimes here, and who can prove they've paid taxes, should be allowed to have legal status. And if they want to become citizens, they have to leave the country and apply like everyone else. Is that not fair?
      Sure. If they are contributing to the economy instead of living off of the government, show they are paying taxes, and have no serious crimes (don't care about traffic fines and so on) then they should be given a chance since they are already here. Obama basically let them in, so we can't just say "too bad" and kick them out.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by The Thinker View Post
        But I think that some of the illegals who have not committed additional crimes here, and who can prove they've paid taxes, should be allowed to have legal status. And if they want to become citizens, they have to leave the country and apply like everyone else. Is that not fair?
        So not committing additional crimes should wipe out the crime they have already committed? And then we reward them for not committing any additional crimes?
        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          Sure. If they are contributing to the economy instead of living off of the government, show they are paying taxes, and have no serious crimes (don't care about traffic fines and so on) then they should be given a chance since they are already here. Obama basically let them in, so we can't just say "too bad" and kick them out.
          I disagree.
          Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Raphael View Post
            So apparently The Thinker (there is a misnomer if there ever was one) is of the opinion that someone who has jumped through all the hoops to satisfy the immigration department that they will provide a valuable contribution to the country, and satisfied all the legal and financial requirements, is on a par with an illegal immigrant?

            No wonder you cannot comprehend the fact that people aren't complaining about legal immigration.
            No, because the legal immigrant is on a path to citizenship, whereas the illegal immigrant is not. They can get legal status, but not citizenship. If they want' citizenship, they have to leave and apply from their native country and get to the back of the line.


            And yes, I'm a thinker.
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            • #96
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              Sure. If they are contributing to the economy instead of living off of the government, show they are paying taxes, and have no serious crimes (don't care about traffic fines and so on) then they should be given a chance since they are already here. Obama basically let them in, so we can't just say "too bad" and kick them out.

              You made sense until your last sentence. Obama didn't just "let them in." He deported 2.5 illegals, more than any other president. Even Trump has acknowledge he's deported millions.

              But the fake news right wing media made it look as if he was personally handing out green cards to illegals at the border. Sad! The fake news right wing media needed to convince conservatives of the narrative that Obama was soft on illegals so they can make him their bogey man.

              http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/

              As of 2015, more than 2.5 million undocumented people had been deported by immigration authorities since President Obama took office in 2009, a total which is indeed record-setting. During the two terms of his predecessor, President George W. Bush, just over 2 million people were deported.

              ...

              The Border Patrol’s budget has expanded from $5.9 billion 2003 to $11.9 billion in 2013, while ICE’s grew from $3.3 billion to $5.9 billion. As of 2013, the two agencies had a total budget of nearly $18 billion, and that number increased to nearly $20 billion in 2016.

              ...

              In the 105 years between 1892 and 1997, the U.S. deported 2.1 million people — meaning that under presidents Bush and Obama, the number of people deported by the U.S. in the course of a century was more than doubled in just 16 years of consecutive presidencies.
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              • #97
                Thing is under obama just turning away illegals at the border before they sneak across counted as "deporting" and obama allowed those who did get across to stay (sanctuary)

                Also illegals can't pay taxes because you need a social security number to file taxes and I think you need to be a citizen or legal immigrant to get a SS#

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  Thing is under obama just turning away illegals at the border before they sneak across counted as "deporting" and obama allowed those who did get across to stay (sanctuary)

                  Also illegals can't pay taxes because you need a social security number to file taxes and I think you need to be a citizen or legal immigrant to get a SS#
                  It not uncommon for illegals to use fake SS#'s to get a job. When I worked at a manufacturing plant that made carrying cases, we had people show up all the time saying the IRS wanted to know about their income they made at the factory...when of course they had never worked there.
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by The Thinker View Post
                    You made sense until your last sentence. Obama didn't just "let them in." He deported 2.5 illegals...
                    I'm concerned. Did the half illegal who stayed survive?

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                    • Originally posted by The Thinker View Post
                      You made sense until your last sentence. Obama didn't just "let them in." He deported 2.5 illegals, more than any other president. Even Trump has acknowledge he's deported millions.

                      But the fake news right wing media made it look as if he was personally handing out green cards to illegals at the border. Sad! The fake news right wing media needed to convince conservatives of the narrative that Obama was soft on illegals so they can make him their bogey man.

                      http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/
                      Snopes is being highly misleading with the claim that Obama deported "more than any other president" (which is rather problematic considering they're supposed to be, you know, a place to find out if a claim is true or not). It is true that the number of reported deportations is dramatically increased. But what the linked article conveniently leaves out is that the reporting itself has changed. Before, many illegals who were caught near the border were simply deported without any registration of the numbers. Nowadays they are. If the reporting changes so a lot more deportations get reported, an increase in the number of reported deportations does not mean Obama actually deported more than previous presidents.

                      You can find more information on this here and here. Of course, someone may think the LA Times and Washington Post are too liberally biased. In that case, you can see a conservative source point out the same thing.

                      The number of deportations have not increased under Obama, the difference is that the reporting of deportations has changed.
                      Last edited by Terraceth; 02-27-2017, 06:14 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by The Thinker View Post
                        I wasn't talking to you.
                        Yes you were.
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                        • Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
                          It not uncommon for illegals to use fake SS#'s to get a job. When I worked at a manufacturing plant that made carrying cases, we had people show up all the time saying the IRS wanted to know about their income they made at the factory...when of course they had never worked there.
                          We had a former member here who went by the name La Rubia. Her husband worked at a factory in... Kentucky (if I recall correctly), and ICE raided the factory and found 20 illegal aliens working there, and ALL using HIS Social Security Number.
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                          • Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                            Snopes is being highly misleading with the claim that Obama deported "more than any other president" (which is rather problematic considering they're supposed to be, you know, a place to find out if a claim is true or not). It is true that the number of reported deportations is dramatically increased. But what the linked article conveniently leaves out is that the reporting itself has changed. Before, many illegals who were caught near the border were simply deported without any registration of the numbers. Nowadays they are. If the reporting changes so a lot more deportations get reported, an increase in the number of reported deportations does not mean Obama actually deported more than previous presidents.

                            You can find more information on this here and here. Of course, someone may think the LA Times and Washington Post are too liberally biased. In that case, you can see a conservative source point out the same thing.

                            The number of deportations have not increased under Obama, the difference is that the reporting of deportations has changed.
                            And yet, at the same time, border crossings in San Diego have dropped by 90% due to the wall there.
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                            • Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
                              It not uncommon for illegals to use fake SS#'s to get a job. When I worked at a manufacturing plant that made carrying cases, we had people show up all the time saying the IRS wanted to know about their income they made at the factory...when of course they had never worked there.
                              I would think that the IRS would pick up on a fake SS# on a tax form. It would not correspond with a real record in their system, or link to the wrong person.

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                              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                I would think that the IRS would pick up on a fake SS# on a tax form. It would not correspond with a real record in their system, or link to the wrong person.
                                The fake SS# users weren't filing tax returns. The people coming in were being audited because the IRS thought they were not reporting the income. Of course, since they never really worked there in the first place they didn't know they need to report it. The W2 went to the illegals address though...We had to give them a form that said that basically they hadn't worked there, that we had been fooled by a fake ID and SS#.
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