Dozens fired after "Day with no Immigrants" protest

[The Thinker]

Hey I am willing to let the liberals claim Obama deported more illegals than anyone. Given that they have no problem with that and even brag about it, they have no stake in reaming out Trump for wanting to deport illegals also.

Ok, just stop claiming Obama just "let them in" and did nothing to enforce immigration law. That's Right wing fake news.

[The Thinker]

Actually those numbers have been heavily padded by including people turned away at the border, something that wasn't previously done before by other Administrations. Here the Los Angeles Times let's the cat out of the bag when they were worried that the numbers were making Obama look back in the Hispanic community:

Source: High deportation figures are misleading

Source

© Copyright Original Source

When the MSM and fake fact checkers want to make it look like Obama hasn't been a friend of illegal immigrants they declare that Obama has deported more illegals than any other Administration leaving out how this has been nothing but an accounting trick and the opposite is in fact true (see for instance Snopes), but if they're worried it might be adversely affecting his image then they tell the truth.

Returns are now being processed as removals. Instead of just returning people at the border, under Obama illegal crossers are now being detained, processed, given official deportation orders and prosecuted, and then returned. The percentage of removals at the border has been increasing, as the chart showed, while the percentage of returns, as expected, went down. So it isn't merely redefining something, it's a change in process.

[Sparko]

Even if that's true it could only be because illegal immigration went down after the recession, not because Obama stopped enforcing immigration law, as many conservatives actually think.

Now you are arguing that Obama deported less immigrants? Make up your mind.

There are 3 basic categories here:

1. Removal: official judicial or administrative orders to leave the country are called "removals," and they can happen right at the border or anywhere else on American soil. This is what most people think of as a deportation.
2. Return: people caught illegally crossing the border and simply turned around.

There are 3 types of people in this world. Those who can count and those who can't.

[Sparko]

Ok, just stop claiming Obama just "let them in" and did nothing to enforce immigration law. That's Right wing fake news.

Obama made it easier for them to stay in the country and not be caught. Period.

[The Thinker]

Did you not read my post where I pointed out how the "deporter in chief" figures are extremely misleading? Here it is again:

Yes it says:

Before, many illegals who were caught near the border were simply deported without any registration of the numbers. Nowadays they are.

Before, many illegals who were caught near the border were simply returned. A return is when they are not processed and just told or forced to go back. Then the policy changed to a "removal" where the illegals who were caught near the border were detained, given official deportation orders, and then returned. So now the policy is instead of just returning them, they detain them, remove them, and they count that as a removal. Yes, it changes the definition of a deportation, but it also changes the policy of what's done to the illegals.

[The Thinker]

Obama made it easier for them to stay in the country and not be caught. Period.

You sound like Sean Spicer. Your original claim was an alternative fact. Now you're doubling down.

Show Obama made it easier for them to stay in the country and not be caught.

[Sparko]

Yes it says:



Before, many illegals who were caught near the border were simply returned. A return is when they are not processed and just told or forced to go back. Then the policy changed to a "removal" where the illegals who were caught near the border were detained, given official deportation orders, and then returned. So now the policy is instead of just returning them, they detain them, remove them, and they count that as a removal. Yes, it changes the definition of a deportation, but it also changes the policy of what's done to the illegals.

This was Obama's "catch and release" - He counted them, then sent them back. Then they tried again and either made it and were not counted, or were caught again and counted again and released again. and so on.

[The Thinker]

Now you are arguing that Obama deported less immigrants? Make up your mind.

No he deported more. Because now instead of just returning illegals at the border without processing them, he detained them, gave official deportation orders (which can carry a penalty if they return), and then sent them back.

There are 3 types of people in this world. Those who can count and those who can't.

Woops. It was originally 3 categories.

[Sparko]

No he deported more. Because now instead of just returning illegals at the border without processing them, he detained them, gave official deportation orders (which can carry a penalty if they return), and then sent them back.

sheesh. OK so Obama deported more. He even stopped more at the border than any other president. Great. I will go with that.

So why are you and the liberals upset that Trump wants to keep out illegals, and deport them, just like Obama did, but better?

[The Thinker]

sheesh. OK so Obama deported more. He even stopped more at the border than any other president. Great. I will go with that.

So why are you and the liberals upset that Trump wants to keep out illegals, and deport them, just like Obama did, but better?

Here's the way it is. Liberals were ok when Obama did it, but now that Trump is doing it they're up in arms. When Obama killed American citizens with drone strikes most liberals shrugged their shoulders. When Trump does it, at least half of liberals will be up in arms. It's all about who the leader is and whether they like him or not.

This is not something sole to liberals. The same logic applies to many conservatives. If Trump uses a private email server, believe me, many conservatives won't care. But if Hillary did it, they'd be up in arms.

We naturally go easy on people we agree with. It's human nature.

Sad but true.

[Sparko]

Here's the way it is. Liberals were ok when Obama did it, but now that Trump is doing it they're up in arms. When Obama killed American citizens with drone strikes most liberals shrugged their shoulders. When Trump does it, at least half of liberals will be up in arms. It's all about who the leader is and whether they like him or not.

This is not something sole to liberals. The same logic applies to many conservatives. If Trump uses a private email server, believe me, many conservatives won't care. But if Hillary did it, they'd be up in arms.

We naturally go easy on people we agree with. It's human nature.

Sad but true.

Thanks for admitting it.

I agree, by the way.

Like saying it is OK for Trump to lie because basically Trump is a good conservative. But it is not OK for Hillary to lie because she is a dirty democrat. or vice versa.

[Littlejoe]

Here's the way it is. Liberals were ok when Obama did it, but now that Trump is doing it they're up in arms. When Obama killed American citizens with drone strikes most liberals shrugged their shoulders. When Trump does it, at least half of liberals will be up in arms. It's all about who the leader is and whether they like him or not.

This is not something sole to liberals. The same logic applies to many conservatives. If Trump uses a private email server, believe me, many conservatives won't care. But if Hillary did it, they'd be up in arms.

We naturally go easy on people we agree with. It's human nature.

Sad but true.

Then you've just proven that YOU are at least part of the problem...and your hypocrisy will not go unnoticed by those of us in the middle...

[The Thinker]

Then you've just proven that YOU are at least part of the problem...and your hypocrisy will not go unnoticed by those of us in the middle...

How so? I was fine with Obama's immigration raids and him stepping up deportations so there was no reason to complain. I haven't really complained about Trump's immigration raids either. I just point out the consequences of it. My only problem is deporting the illegals who have not committed additional crimes while here.

[The Thinker]

Thanks for admitting it.

I agree, by the way.

Like saying it is OK for Trump to lie because basically Trump is a good conservative. But it is not OK for Hillary to lie because she is a dirty democrat. or vice versa.

I never denied it. But yes, we all need to stop just being cheerleaders for our sides and instead be loyal to the facts. Liberals lie, swallow fake news, and use faulty logic, and liberal politicians do bad things and liberals need to call out the problems on our own side. Same thing on the conservative side.

[Sparko]

I never denied it. But yes, we all need to stop just being cheerleaders for our sides and instead be loyal to the facts. Liberals lie, swallow fake news, and use faulty logic, and liberal politicians do bad things and liberals need to call out the problems on our own side. Same thing on the conservative side.

On facebook a conservative friend posted a story about Michelle Obama claiming that the founding fathers were not born in America.

Reading the story it was obvious it was one of those hit pieces that just take things out of context to make a person look bad. Like the press does with Trump all the time. Which my friend also complains about. So I chided him on posting that hit piece because why should we get to complain about the media misinterpreting what Trump says, when conservatives do the exact same thing to the democrats? It isn't right.


--
For those who are interested, the hit piece said:



really stupid. It is obvious she means that they were born before this land was the United States. Yes it was "America" but it wasn't a country and they were English Citizens when they were born, not United States ("American") Citizens. derp.