New solar system near by with 7 planets, three habitable.

[Sparko]

still just "speculation" with absolutely no evidence that water is all that is needed to have life. We have found water everywhere but life only on Earth. maybe that should tell us something? All the evidence we have says we are unique in the universe. Anything else is not based on actual evidence but only guesses and arguments from incredulity (there are so many stars there MUST be life!)

It is not an educated guess because an educated guess would be based on evidence. We have none. Just speculation.

[Sparko]

duh.... so basically you are saying that it IS just speculation unless we actually find evidence of extraterrestrial life, then it won't be speculation.

In other words it is only speculation. Not an educated guess.

When we DO have evidence then it won't be speculation. Brilliant.

[shunyadragon]

I understand that. I'm mostly TE myself. My question was different.

Can the Baha'i god perform miracles if he chooses to? And a different question, does he / has he, that you know of?

This is a bit off topic. Yes, in the Baha'i Faith Miracles are possible, and apparent miracles have been witnessed by many in the life of the Bab and Baha'u'llah, but they can be a distraction and deceptive as to the reality of Revelation, and only a witness of faith, and not proof of Revelation from God.



Creation itself does not appear miraculous in any way, and need not be, and there is no evidence that it was.

And a third question, different in nature from the previous two: the answers you give me, are they common among the Baha'i, or are they your personal convictions as distinguished from what an "average Baha'i" would answer? It is my understanding that you have lived in this religion for quite some time, so hopefully you have become self-aware enough in it to know the places where you stand with the majority of your religion, and the places where you don't. I think it's important to know whether I'm learning about you or about you and most other Baha'i, if you know that answer.

The concept of the 'Harmony of Science and Religion' is fundamental, and scripture is clear and specific, the writings of all religions must be understood by the light of the evolving knowledge of science concerning the physical nature of our physical existence. There may be debate and controversy concerning some writings about science and our physical existence, but the bottom is the highlighted above according to Baha'i scripture.

[Adrift]

I understand that. I'm mostly TE myself. My question was different.

Can the Baha'i god perform miracles if he chooses to? And a different question, does he / has he, that you know of?

And a third question, different in nature from the previous two: the answers you give me, are they common among the Baha'i, or are they your personal convictions as distinguished from what an "average Baha'i" would answer? It is my understanding that you have lived in this religion for quite some time, so hopefully you have become self-aware enough in it to know the places where you stand with the majority of your religion, and the places where you don't. I think it's important to know whether I'm learning about you or about you and most other Baha'i, if you know that answer.

If I were you I would not depend on anything shunyadragon has to say on the subject. He's demonstrated time and again that he has at best a tenuous grasp on Baha'i teachings. If you need to ask a Baha'i something you're best to look for Sen Mcglinn who occasionally posts here (but not very often), or maybe just ask your questions on an actual Baha'i forum.

[Tassman]

still just "speculation" with absolutely no evidence that water is all that is needed to have life.

We have found water everywhere but life only on Earth. maybe that should tell us something?

http://www.livescience.com/47246-ali...andidates.html

All the evidence we have says we are unique in the universe.

Anything else is not based on actual evidence but only guesses and arguments from incredulity (there are so many stars there MUST be life!)

The evidence we have says that life has arisen naturally on planet Earth therefore it is reasonable to assume that it has arisen elsewhere where there are suitable conditions.

It is not an educated guess because an educated guess would be based on evidence. We have none. Just speculation.

We will see. You should be excited at the prospect, not fearfully anticipating what such knowledge will do to your fundy narrative.

[Sparko]

http://www.livescience.com/47246-ali...andidates.html



The evidence we have says that life has arisen naturally on planet Earth therefore it is reasonable to assume that it has arisen elsewhere where there are suitable conditions.



We will see. You should be excited at the prospect, not fearfully anticipating what such knowledge will do to your fundy narrative.

fearful? LOL. I have no problem with life elsewhere in the universe, in fact, I hope we do find it someday. I am just saying that scientists are being overly optimistic with absolutely no evidence. Personally I believe God created such a large universe for a purpose. He could have created life everywhere and I hope he did. But without actual evidence we just dont know. yet.

[One Bad Pig]

Thank you for admitting that, at least.

http://www.livescience.com/47246-ali...andidates.html

Make that potentially possible based on our current understanding.

The evidence we have says that life has arisen naturally on planet Earth therefore it is reasonable to assume that it has arisen elsewhere where there are suitable conditions.

That would be great if we actually understood what are suitable conditions. Scientists have been attempting to recreate suitable conditions for decades, but have yet to come close to success. Until we have a sample set of at least two, we're just spitballing.

We will see. You should be excited at the prospect, not fearfully anticipating what such knowledge will do to your fundy narrative.

I am excited. I'd be more than happy to sign up for an exploratory mission elsewhere if we had the means to go. Can you acknowledge that, or are you afraid of what it will do to your anti-Christian narrative?

[Sparko]

Like on abortion, Tassman has to try to characterize this as a religious/fundy issue in order to preserve his viewpoint because he has no legitimate argument and just wants to disagree. another strawman.

[Jedidiah]

. . . I am just saying that scientists are being overly optimistic with absolutely no evidence. . .

As I said before:

Yes, by 'habitable" planets they mean planets that "could sustain oceans."

[Tassman]

fearful? LOL. I have no problem with life elsewhere in the universe, in fact, I hope we do find it someday. I am just saying that scientists are being overly optimistic with absolutely no evidence. Personally I believe God created such a large universe for a purpose. He could have created life everywhere and I hope he did. But without actual evidence we just dont know. yet.

I think you are being "overly optimistic with absolutely no evidence" that "God created such a large universe for a purpose".

[Tassman]

Thank you for admitting that, at least.

I never said anything other than that.

Make that potentially possible based on our current understanding.

That would be great if we actually understood what are suitable conditions. Scientists have been attempting to recreate suitable conditions for decades, but have yet to come close to success. Until we have a sample set of at least two, we're just spitballing.

Well no, science is a bit further ahead than that. It actually has several plausible theories re the origin of life on Earth.

http://www.livescience.com/1804-grea...ise-earth.html

But fear not. When the time comes you can always deny it, like the fundies do re the fact of Evolution.

I am excited. I'd be more than happy to sign up for an exploratory mission elsewhere if we had the means to go. Can you acknowledge that, or are you afraid of what it will do to your anti-Christian narrative?

Why, do you expect Jesus will be out there somewhere?

[One Bad Pig]

I never said anything other than that.

You initially said that water was THE essential condition for life - which is indeed "other than that." Did you forget, hope I wouldn't notice the difference, or do you pretend there is no difference?

[Tassman]

You initially said that water was THE essential condition for life - which is indeed "other than that." Did you forget, hope I wouldn't notice the difference, or do you pretend there is no difference?

Not good with words are you!

Yes it is the essential ingredient for carbon-based life forms, however it's obviously not the only only requirement; I didn't say it was. But, given that water has been discovered throughout our solar system, further investigation for life is warranted...starting with Mars in three years time.

[tabibito]

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[Roy]

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Wouldn't it be easier to send DJT to one of the potentially inhabitable planets?