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Yet another beneficial mutation in humans uncovered
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Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIIRC Darwin cited selective breeding (a.k.a. artificial selection) several times as doing the same thing that natural selection did (but much faster) in On the Origin of Species. It has been several years since I've read it though.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostMaybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't really sound like anyone is saying anything much different from what Sparko already suggested.
As an aside, the human population and DNA mutation rate are such that effectively every possible single point mutation occurred multiple times in the last 100 years.
*i.e. a few centuries agoJorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostMaybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't really sound like anyone is saying anything much different from what Sparko already suggested. In my totally un-sciencey and bare bones way of putting it, evolution occurs (maybe "occurs" is not the right word) when environmental factors highlight random mutations in a gene pool that present a survival benefit. Not taking into consideration later mutation, migration, and genetic drift, in a fashion, this is selective breeding, except, that there is no intelligence (necessarily, and perhaps that's debatable) doing the selecting. Rather the unintelligent environment is doing the selecting...if you will.
I find discussions on this subject can be complicated sometimes because it seems to me that people on the evolution side of the debate (which I count myself in) get very...defensive...about exact word usage and concepts. Perhaps that's for good reason. They feel a need to be exacting because they've seen words and concepts that were more colloquial in nature taken and used against the theory of evolution. I once majored in Bio-Anthropology, and I'm certain I've forgotten more than I remember, but I find when I read threads like this that there's sometimes an unnecessary level of tension that seems unhelpful when explaining what evolution does. Evolution, on its surface, is not that complicated of a subject, but the quibbling over terms can sometimes lead to confusion I think. At least it does for me.
Added in edit: I am not arguing against evolution, but am arguing for reasons that it is not clearly accepted by some.Last edited by simplicio; 03-01-2017, 04:59 AM.
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostWe've tested this sort of thing with bacteria. Grow a plate full of bacteria, and then make two copies of that plate. Stick one in the fridge to stop its growth, and pour virus over the second. By chance some of the bacteria will end up having mutations that make them resistant to the virus, and so you see little spots where their descendants grow.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo you introduce a particular virus then you just happen to get a mutation that makes the bacteria resistant to that particular virus?"Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostNope. The variation was present in the parent population. That's why the spots were in the same place both times you do the experiment.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut you said: By chance some of the bacteria will end up having mutations that make them resistant to the virus, and so you see little spots where their descendants grow.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostLurch, ignore seer. He deliberately misrepresents views and arguments he disagrees with.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut you said: By chance some of the bacteria will end up having mutations that make them resistant to the virus, and so you see little spots where their descendants grow."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhere did I misrepresent Lurch? Be specific.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostWhere did I say you had? Be specific.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostStop hiding behind your anal retentive parsing of words,Last edited by Roy; 03-01-2017, 03:58 PM.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostConsidering the scarcity of water there (it's the world's driest desert where parts of it haven't seen a drop of rain since recordkeeping began) that would be advisable even if the water didn't have such high levels of arsenic.
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>> The tiny black crystalline minerals are pyroxenes.
They're crucial evidence because, like microscopic geologic clocks, their chemistry changes when exposed to cosmic radiation over time.
The sun is only producing a tiny bit of the radiation which will hit this rock, the majority of it is coming from all the stars you see in the night sky.
What it does to the rock is basically, uh, just bakes it, a bit like a really bad suntan, so it just comes down, hits it and cooks it.
As the rock gets cooked by cosmic rays, the pyroxenes break down and produce a gas called helium-3.
We can record how much helium-3 is within this rock, and the more we have, the longer that it has been exposed to cosmic or, uh, solar radiation.
Helium-3 gas is only produced in microscopic quantities, so Evenstar takes her samples to a lab 7,000 miles away in Glasgow, Scotland.
So what we do, uh, using a laser, is we shoot the laser into one of the wells, and vaporize our crystals.
And that's releasing the helium-3, then the helium-3 is going to go through all this complicated machinery, eventually run through the mass spectrometer.
By analyzing this data, she can figure out the last time the boulders were moved.
The oldest age sample we've actually recorded has been 23 million years.
So what this means is that, within certain areas of the Atacama Desert, these boulders have been sitting there and not moved by water for 23 million years. <<
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