What Would The Christian Rather See?

[The Thinker]

For Christians:

If you had to choose between a world largely populated by atheists or one largely populated by Muslims - which one would you pick and why?


Piggybacking on What Would The Atheist Rather See?

[Darth Executor]

Muslims by a hair since I could still worship Christ freely but in both scenarios it would be a great time to catalogue the many benefits of suicide.

[Leonhard]

Same problem, which Muslims and which secularists.

If we're talking danish secularism? Sure, that's fairly pleasant, plus Danes love talking about Christianity, they just don't believe in it.

[Meh Gerbil]

Muslim.
With Muslims there would be a set of rules and a logically consistent world view.

[Darth Ovious]

......... a world largely populated by atheists.......................

Well...... it would help if you guys actually reproduced to begin with.

[TheWall]

Atheist. That way guys like Lewis Chesterton and more will be made mainstream. It would make christians have to adapt. Films would stop being hackneyed, scientific error and misrepeesentation might find enemies in both believers and non, we cpuld learn and faith could grow.

[guacamole]

Hmmm... christians have suffered under muslims and atheists. But I'd have to go with atheists by a long shot. I feel like I see less coercion in atheism.

[Darth Executor]

Hmmm... christians have suffered under muslims and atheists. But I'd have to go with atheists by a long shot. I feel like I see less coercion in atheism.

The ones with the power to coerce were far more oppressive than any religious group. Even in the West where atheists are relatively weak they oppress every change they get. That's why I'm betting on muslims. I know they can produce something resembling a tolerant civilization that doesn't quickly devolve into suicidally crazy. Atheists have yet to demonstrate that. Most likely western style atheists would quickly be slaughtered by the more militant and fanatical ones.

[Meh Gerbil]

The ones with the power to coerce were far more oppressive than any religious group. Even in the West where atheists are relatively weak they oppress every change they get. That's why I'm betting on muslims. I know they can produce something resembling a tolerant civilization that doesn't quickly devolve into suicidally crazy. Atheists have yet to demonstrate that. Most likely western style atheists would quickly be slaughtered by the more militant and fanatical ones.

I'm with you on this one.
In the 20th century atheist societies murdered about 1 million people for every year of existence.
They make even the most backwards Muslim countries appear civilized.

[KingsGambit]

I can't think of any atheist terrorists off the top of my head other than possibly Timothy McVeigh. I know there's going to be a torrent of people saying "what about Stalin" but the Holodomor was not explicitly inspired by atheists the same way Islamic terrorism is.

[guacamole]

If we mean secularist vs Islamic, then I go secularist. I would take the best modern secular society (Japan), over the best modern Islamic society (Jordan? Malaysia? Dubai?). I would probably take the next ten best secular societies over the best Islamic ones. The Nordic countries, Iceland, Western Europe, etc.

If we mean pointedly atheistic societies, the nearest we get is modern China. I take China over the Islamic societies too.

If we go worst against worst--the worst modern pointedly atheistic society(North Korea) vs. The worst Islamic society, isis, I think I'd rather be beheaded than work myself to death in a work camp.

If I was in a room with osama, hitler, and Toby, and I had a gun with two bullets, I'd shoot Toby twice.

Fwiw
Guacamole

[KingsGambit]

If we mean pointedly atheistic societies, the nearest we get is modern China.
Guacamole

The government's stance doesn't really have much of effect on your average Chinese villager. FWIW, the church is absolutely booming in China. Scandanavia may be a better example.

[guacamole]

The government's stance doesn't really have much of effect on your average Chinese villager. FWIW, the church is absolutely booming in China. Scandanavia may be a better example.

I would take Scandinavia easy over most places. Maybe even Japan.

[Zymologist]

I would take Scandinavia easy over most places. Maybe even Japan.

For the metal, right?

[elam]

If we mean secularist vs Islamic, then I go secularist.

Why? If we'd allow Islam to thrive in its purity rather than cause conflict through "oil greed" then Islam has the potential to return to its "golden age" when it lead the world in science, mathematics, medicine & formalised education.

I think you are mired in confusion with the western imposed situation in the middle east, which only contains 20% of the 1,8 billion Muslims distributed throughout the world.

In the absence of Christianity, or for that matter Judaism, at the least, Islam maintains the ethics & morality common to the three Abrahamic religions which has allowed western society to prosper.

I would take the best modern secular society (Japan)

So you want the world economy to collapse! Japan has so many social properties that it has taken numerous book to document them. It is a complete economic & social basket case. Japanese academics openly admit it!

over the best modern Islamic society (Jordan? Malaysia? Dubai?).

Why haven't you considered Indonesia? Is it because, according to USA data, Indonesia is the 3rd largest democracy in the world and the largest Muslim nation in the world?

I would probably take the next ten best secular societies over the best Islamic ones. The Nordic countries, Iceland, Western Europe, etc.

Have a look at the UN stats! You might then reappraise...

If we mean pointedly atheistic societies, the nearest we get is modern China. I take China over the Islamic societies too.

China is a possibility but it is far from an atheistic nation! Which is why its govt has the occasional purges to suppress discent...

What about Russia. These days, with the re-emerge ROC, Putin is claiming Russian is now the last Christian nation on earth. If so then secularism already dominates the globe!

In Russia, I imagine, for demographic & geographic reasons, that Islam would fill the gap should Christianity fade away...

If we go worst against worst--the worst modern pointedly atheistic society(North Korea) vs. The worst Islamic society, isis, I think I'd rather be beheaded than work myself to death in a work camp.

Skip the beheading. Grow a beard, give up booze & tabacco, attend Mosque, pray five times a day and under ISIS you might be OK. As a male ISIS does provide benefits, but thinking about the number of mother-in-laws one might accumulate under ISIS, I just might opt for North Korea as a better option :-{

Question: Why are agnostics excluded from the available options?