Islam in Fast Demise

[Dr T]

Islam in Fast Demise
In Africa Alone Everyday, 16,000 Muslims Leave Islam

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm

By Ali Sina

Hitler said if a lie is repeated often enough and long enough, it would come to be perceived as truth. One such lie often repeated is “Islam is the fastest growing religion”.

Despite the fact that Muslims by virtue of being poor and uneducated are much more reproductive than others, Islam as a religion is not growing but dying fast.

More and more Muslims are discovering that the violence evinced by some of their coreligionists is not an aberration but is inspired by the teachings of the Quran and the examples set by its author. Muslims are becoming disillusioned with Islam. They find out that the mechanistic ritual of praying five times per day, reciting verses that they do not understand and indeed mean nothing, getting up at taxing hours of the morning and abstaining from food and water until the sunset are not means to becoming more spiritual but are instruments to control their mind. These enlightened Muslims no more heed to the fear mongering verses of the Quran that threaten to burn them and roast them in the fires of hell if they dare to think and question the validity of that book.

Every day thousands of Muslim intellectuals are leaving Islam. They find Islam inconsistent with science, logics, human rights and ethics. Millions of Iranians already have left Islam. The enlightened Muslims of other nationalities are not far behind. This is the beginning of a mass exodus from Islam. It is a movement that is already in motion and nothing can stop it.

However the exodus from Islam is not reserved to the intellectuals but also the average Muslims are finding that Islam is not the way to God but to ignorance, poverty and wars. They are leaving Islam to embrace other religions especially the Christianity.

Perhaps it is best to listen to the truth coming from the mouth of the horse. The Internet site aljazeera.net published an interview with Ahmad Al Qataani ÃÍãÏ ÇáÞØÚÇäí An important Islamic cleric who said: “In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity."

What Muslims say among each other, is not the same thing that they say for the consumption of the Westerners.

These are huge numbers. If this trend continues we can expect to see Islam become insignificant in Africa in just a few decades. This is good news for those who are concerned about the on going slavery in Africa and the prospects of war and genocide.

In fact with the weakening of Islam, we can hope to see peace in many war-ridden parts of the world including Palestine. By now it should be clear that any road map to peace between Israel and Palestine will be blocked by the Islamists and the terrorists. Peace in Middle East is not possible as long as Islam is the ideology of the masses.

It is important that we realize that this terrorism that is threatening the peace of the world and these wars that bleed the Muslim nations are not economically motivated but are they are hate motivated. They are religious wars. The weakening of Islam means peace for mankind.

Al Qataani and al Jazeera Network were alarmed by these huge numbers of Muslims leaving Islam, but humanity must rejoice over these numbers. The weakening of Islam means the triumph of mankind.

The following is part of the transcript of Al Jazeera's Interview with Al Qataani translated to English. Here is the original transcript in Arabic



Maher Abdallah:
Dear viewers, peace of Allah be upon you, greetings and welcome to a new episode of the program Islamic Law and Life.

Our topic this evening will be Christianization in the Dark Continent ... Africa. For after Islam was the religion of the majority, the great majority of that continent, the number of Muslims now is no greater than a third of the population. This is taking into consideration, of course, that a large portion of this group are Arab Muslims. No doubt that the missions of evangelization and Christianization played a great role in this demographic shift of Muslims in the continent.

To discuss this topic, it is my pleasure to introduce today a man who is an expert on the issue of evangelization and Christianization in Africa, even though he will concentrate on the issue of Christianization first and foremost…. Sheikh Ahmad Al Qataani; the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, which is an institution specializing in graduating imams and Islamic preachers.

Sheikh Ahmad, welcome to you on the program.

Ahmad Al Qataani:
Greeting to you.

Maher Abdallah:
If we start by inquiring about your strict stance against the Christian missions in Africa, don’t the followers of every religion have the right to seek new converts, exactly as you train and graduate young Muslims to propagate Islam?

Ahmad Al Qataani:
I seek refuge in Allah the Seer, the Knower, from the stoned devil. In the name of Allah the Merciful the Beneficent. Thanks to Allah the One, the Only, the Permanent One, who did not give birth nor was born, to whom no one was equal. I bear witness that there is no God but Allah who has no partners, and I bear witness that our master Muhammed – Allah’s prayers and peace be upon him - is his messenger and seal of prophets; Allah prayers be upon him and his brothers the prophets and messengers and their families.

The question that you pose is a result of not comprehending the difference between the concept of Christianization and the concept of evangelism.

The concept of evangelism: is inviting the non-Christians to the Christian or Nazarene religion, and this is the right of every Christian and the right of every believer to call others to his faith. However, we are talking about a different matter; which is Christianization. Christianization means the following: preparing plans, and executing these plans and evolving these plans to change Muslims into Christians by taking advantage of the ignorance and poverty (of the people) and whatever necessitates from similar circumstances.

So, we are faced with the issue of taking advantage of circumstances, taking advantage of humanitarian needs, taking advantage of the lack of education for example, that these people (missionaries) use to take Muslims out of their religion.

Maher Abdallah:
Fine. This is a big and dangerous phrase. Taking advantage of poverty, of ignorance, of lack of education, of some need is something that a Muslim can also be accused of. So if you don’t back up what you say with examples, with references, your words remain in the air without much weight to them.

Ahmad Al Qataani:
The reality is that these words say a lot less than they should. As we said in the beginning, everyone has the right to invite others to his religion; this is what is known as evangelism (or proselytizing). As for Christianization, no one has the right to take Muslims out of their religion, and you asked for references and the references are too numerous.

Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned, Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people. When we realize that the entire population of Africa is one billion people, we see that the number of Muslims has diminished greatly from what it was in the beginning of the last century. On the other hand, the number of Catholics has increased from one million in 1902 to 329 million 882 thousand (329,882,000). Let us round off that number to 330 million in the year 2000.

As to how that happened, well
.there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity
These numbers are very large indeed …..

Maher Abdallah (interrupting):
Hold on! Let me clarify. Do we have 6 million converting from Islam to Christianity or converting from Islam and other religions?

Ahmad Al Qataani:
Great (question)! The other religions are not placed on the list of Christianization; rather they are placed on the list of evangelization. The other religion in Africa is paganism; so it’s Islam, Christianity or paganism. There isn’t something similar to Asia for example where you have Buddhism or Zoroastrianism. In Africa it is just these three, so if you talk about Christianization then it targets the only other heavenly religion which is Islam. As for paganism, those people worship animals and planets and the like.

Maher Abdallah:
So 6 million Muslims a year convert?

Ahmad Al Qataani:
Every year ….. In the African nations this century a tragedy happened. Take for example what happened in Ethiopia. Ethiopia is an Arab nation and I am not saying a muslim nation. If any student looks up the word Habasha (Ethiopia) in the book Ocean Dictionary written by Al-Fairuz Abady, he will find that the word Habashat means “people of different tribes” and this is what happened. Ethiopia was a place where Arabs from different tribes would go to live for a while. We all know that Islam entered Ethiopia before Islam entered the city of Medina. We all know that AL-Najashy (the ruler of Ethiopia) was a Muslim. It is mentioned by Al-Darkatny in his biography of the prophet – Allah’s prayer and peace be upon him – that during the month of Rajab in the 9th year of the Hijra (Muslim calendar) that the prophet said to his companions: “Rise up and pray on your brother Al-Najashy.” From that year on the practice of praying on the absent was established. Therefore from the time of the prophet – Allah’s prayer and peace be upon him – Islam entered Ethiopia. So what has happened to Ethiopia?

What happened is that in the days of Emperor Hela Silasi who used to force Muslims to bow to the Christian, and if he refused then he was whipped 45 lashes and jailed between 2 and 5 years. In the year 1948, a massacre occurred at the hands of the Amharic tribes; the Amharic being Christians and collaborators, who continued to slaughter Muslims for 7 months and perform the most horrific acts imaginable. For example they deprived them from the most basic human rights, to the point that they mutilated the male Muslim’s reproductive organs so that no more Muslim children would be born. Ethiopia was rewarded after all these horrific acts; rewarded by being made the head quarters of the African Unity League.

Let us move to another location in Africa, let it be Nigeria. Nigeria is known by Muslims by the name of the Land of Takror. Nigeria was founded at the beginning of the last century by the British, and many Islamic sources mention it’s name as the Land of Tekror. There is even a letter by the reciter Suyuti, who died in the year 911 Hijri, where the title is: Opening the blessed request and relating the hidden openly to the questions of the people of Takror. So there was an established relationship, and they used to send questions to the scholars of Islam, so this letter (of questions) was sent from one of the sheikh scholars of Nigeria that was called Takror to the Muslim scholar AL Suyuti in Egypt and he in turn responded and the contents of this letter are published and printed and is found in the book “The collection Islamic decrees”.

Nigeria’s population is 120 million people, 70% of whom are Muslim. In the 1960’s a British missionary came and declared that he will Christianize North Nigeria, the majority of whom are Muslim. As a result, Ahmad Banulo (from the leaders of the Msulims) was forced at the time to move him to Lagos the capital. As a result the butcher Arorese, that was present at the time, eliminated all the Muslim rulers and killed Ahmad Banulo, why? Because he merely dared to move this missionary who declared that he wishes to Christianize North Nigeria.

In another country, Zanzibar, is an Arabic African nation and I am not saying Muslim. Zanzibar was always connected to the Sultanate of Oman (in the Persian Gulf). Concerning Zanzibar, there was a priest by the name Julius Niriry, president of Tanzania, who annihilated 20,000 Muslims (male and female) with a military force lead by a chicken thief. This thief was imprisoned for being accused of stealing chickens; he was released and asked to command the military brigade that annihilated 20,000 Muslims.

Maher Abdallah:
My dear viewers welcome back to this episode where we are speaking about the topic of Christianization in the African continent and we are speaking with the Sheikh who is observing and following this issue, as each hour Islam loses just under 700 Muslims who join the Christian religion which leads us to the number of 6 million Muslims every year.

Our sir, you mentioned that there are advantages being taken of necessities: poverty, ignorance; what you mentioned then are waves of elimination, waves of religious eradication, and there is no need to call is racial eradication….. However, let us go back to the topic necessity and exploitation. This may have all been in the past; the military expeditions that you spoke of were all in the beginning or middle of the last century, but what is happening today in regards to exploiting necessities?

Ahmad Al Qataani:
What I wanted to say is that these military expeditions and wars paved the way for what we are seeing today; converting 6 million Muslims every year did not happen from nothing, but was a result of what I mentioned earlier.

As for the topic of necessity exploitation, then a nation like Somalia, whose population is 9.5 million people, are all Muslim without exception. There are no Christians or pagans. And if you did find any then they are an insignificant number that are not even on official statistics. A Belgian missionary by the name of Sabeh came to Somalia and purchased 30,000 Muslim youth, he took advantage of their parents poverty, and we all know the terrible situation that Somalia is going through now and what it went through a few years ago. This is taking advantage of a humanitarian need that any human can go through.

[AtheistArchon]

More and more Muslims are discovering that the violence evinced by some of their coreligionists is not an aberration but is inspired by the teachings of the Quran and the examples set by its author. Muslims are becoming disillusioned with Islam. They find out that the mechanistic ritual of praying five times per day, reciting verses that they do not understand and indeed mean nothing, getting up at taxing hours of the morning and abstaining from food and water until the sunset are not means to becoming more spiritual but are instruments to control their mind. These enlightened Muslims no more heed to the fear mongering verses of the Quran that threaten to burn them and roast them in the fires of hell if they dare to think and question the validity of that book.

[...]

They are leaving Islam to embrace other religions especially the Christianity.

- Oh. So they're giving up one mind control for another? Meh.

- Useless rituals, meaningless verses, no freedom of thought out of fear of hell? Yes, sounds familiar.

[Da Lone-Warrior]

AtheistArchon:

- Oh. So they're giving up one mind control for another? Meh.

- Useless rituals, meaningless verses, no freedom of thought out of fear of hell? Yes, sounds familiar.

I'm so sorry for you, sounds like your experiences with Christianity were pretty bad.


I'm afraid its hard to know what to trust from the above report. Clearly, this interview conveys that, especially in Africa, muslims are afraid of losing ground to Christianity.
dlw
dlw

[markporter]

do we have any muslims on TWeb?

[Cowthulu]

- Oh. So they're giving up one mind control for another? Meh.

- Useless rituals, meaningless verses, no freedom of thought out of fear of hell? Yes, sounds familiar.

AA, the amount bitterness in your posts makes it hard to take anything you write objectively. I have only been on this board a few weeks and I already tend to skip over your posts because of the pure amount of vitriol. Don't know if posting this will do any good, but your methods do harm to your goals.

[Dr T]

Can this be moved to the new Islam forum? Anyone know how?

[Jme]

REally fast demise? Tell that to the christians in texas that convert-

Eric was a Baptist preacher before he became a Muslim 14 years ago. Now he prays five times a day – even in the middle of watching a football game. His wife, Karen, also a convert, is covered from head to toe in the traditional Muslim burka. Islam, says Eric, ‘is everything I wanted Christianity to be’. His mother has found it hard to come to terms with her son’s conversion and believes he will return to the Christian faith: ‘Then he will be a dynamic preacher.’ Eric says: ‘Maybe some day she’ll embrace Islam.’

Women are also becoming followers of Muhamed. Yasmine (previously Mindy) arranged a marriage for herself and has three children. Islam, she says is ‘the solution to a lot of the prevailing evils: drugs, adultery, fornication…’ Converts often see the religious laws more clearly than those who have been brought up as Muslims and Yasmine can spot a mistake at 20 paces. She believes that she has a unique opportunity to help people who are born into the religion get back to the fundamentals.

Catherine has been a Muslim for two weeks. She came from a privileged background – private school followed by a career in PR. Now the established Muslim women guide her through the purification rituals as she washes before prayer and removes her nail varnish.

David is the only white Muslim in his little town on Route 66. He believes his new religion makes him a better American and, far from undermining liberties, gives the individual more rights. He had an arranged marriage and his wife, who was born a Muslim, was shocked by the strictness with which he insists they live their lives. His family – a white man with his wife and daughter dressed in their hijabs (headscarves) –are stared in the streets and supermarkets of their one-horse town.

There are 400,000 Muslims in Texas alone and Islam is the fastest growing religion in the USA. Since 9/11 there have been more converts to Islam than ever. Eric believes that people are trying to understand Muslims and want to learn about their religion. Yasmine says: ‘America should not be afraid. If it would be better Muslims were the majority. If a child asks me: “Who made this leaf?” I say, “Allah. Allah made everything.”’

http://www.channel4.com/culture/micr...ot/texas1.html

[Dr T]

REally fast demise? Tell that to the christians in texas that convert-


http://www.channel4.com/culture/micr...ot/texas1.html

I don't believe the numbers that are quoted.

The article you have referenced in your link doesn't give a source for any of them, any idea where we could go to check up on these numbers?

Do you really believe that more people than ever are converting to Islam in the US since 9/11? If so do you have evidence or links where we could go and look this up on?

I've seen this claim lots of times, but have yet to see any evidence given to back it up.

[Gilgaron]

I googled up this for you fellows.

It shows how secular America has been growing, as well as differences between gender (males are less likely to be religious), age (older are more religious) and percentages of a religion that regularly attend service (highest among Born Again evangelicals).

I didn't want to read the whole thing, but maybe it will help you guys settle your argument.

[AtheistArchon]

I'm so sorry for you, sounds like your experiences with Christianity were pretty bad.

AA, the amount bitterness in your posts makes it hard to take anything you write objectively. I have only been on this board a few weeks and I already tend to skip over your posts because of the pure amount of vitriol. Don't know if posting this will do any good, but your methods do harm to your goals.

- I feel bitter on this subject because it doesn't help humanity by changing from Islam to Christianity. It's literally trading one invisible friend for another. *shrug*

- Centuries ago, Islam was THE seat of science in the world. The most enlightened nations on the planet were Islamic. Now that's all gone, and Islam has been turned into a 2nd-class religion with only brutality to foster it along, but what has taken its place? Another religion... doomed in the end to follow the same path as science makes more and more of its fairy-tales appear absurd. Perhaps this time, people will be leaving Christianity for agnosticism instead of Islam for Christianity.

- Egads, we learn so slowly.

[Gilgaron]

One other thing, in the link I gave, turnover is mentioned for several religions. JW's for example gets many converts, but also many people leaving. So when looking at trends in Islam it would be important to both consider how many people leave for Christianity and how many people join from other religions.

[Da Lone-Warrior]

- I feel bitter on this subject because it doesn't help humanity by changing from Islam to Christianity. It's literally trading one invisible friend for another. *shrug*

okay. I guess their histories have some similarities. The evidence for the validity of the Bible is stronger since there is a lesser time gap between the earliest documents and when the events supposedly took place and we have more early documents.

Also, bear in mind that the records of Jews in Jerusalem when Mohammed arrived did not portray him as someone who was trying to start a new religion, but rather a liberator from their Byzantine oppressors. And so, it seems that Mohammed may have been seeking to start up a Judaism for Arabs, and rejected the corrupt form of Christianity he had been exposed to.

Also, while the Islam claims that the Koran was given to Mohammed at Mecca complete by two angels, this is internally disreputed by the extensive references to the monotheism of Judaism and Christianity, which were centered far away from Mecca. The only way the official line could be true is through the angel hypothesis.

Contrast this with the Gospels, which are independent accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus.

- Centuries ago, Islam was THE seat of science in the world. The most enlightened nations on the planet were Islamic. Now that's all gone, and Islam has been turned into a 2nd-class religion with only brutality to foster it along, but what has taken its place? Another religion... doomed in the end to follow the same path as science makes more and more of its fairy-tales appear absurd. Perhaps this time, people will be leaving Christianity for agnosticism instead of Islam for Christianity.

- Egads, we learn so slowly.

Islam was the seat of science, because it sent Christian Europe into the Dark-Ages by its violent uprisal, reducing the centers of Christianity from four to one, setting in motion many bad future outcomes.

It was the seat of science, because it benefitted both from the writings of the hellenist philosophers and the teachings of Judaism and Christianity. How much value was added can be subject to debate.

Having arisen in a political vacuum, it also was in a position to make many needed reforms and experimentation in governance, which then led to its golden age.

Anyways, these are all things I would want to bear in mind in evaluating Islam and Christianity.

dlw

[AtheistArchon]

- I bow to your knowledge here, DLW... Islam certainly isn't my area of expertise.

- And by the way, I LOVE your sig.

[HippoCrates]

Islam was the seat of science, because it sent Christian Europe into the Dark-Ages by its violent uprisal, reducing the centers of Christianity from four to one, setting in motion many bad future outcomes.

No. The centers of Christianity went from five to two, and the three centers lost weren't in Europe. Two of them, Antioch and Jerusalem, had already been thoroughly sacked by the Zoroastrian Persians (and then the Christian Byzantines) before the Muslims got to them. Only Alexandria had been relatively untouched. And as I remember, the bishops of Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria still participated in Church councils for some centuries after the Arab conquests, so it's not like these Christian communities just vanished.

And Christian Europe had already sent itself into the Dark Ages. In the 6th century, Italy had been utterly devastated by the Byzantine conquest and then the Lombard invasion. France and Germany had been conquered by the Frankish king, Clovis, and then fought over by his murderous children, none of whom had the least interest in classical literature and learning. Spain had been invaded in the 5th century by the Vandals, Suevi, and Alans, and then again by the Visigoths, who spent the 6th century at war with Basques and surviving Suevi, and most of the 7th in civil war. In England at least, pagan Saxons and Angles could be blamed for the destruction, as could pagan Slavs and Avars in the Balkans.

[Aseity]

- Oh. So they're giving up one mind control for another?

No. They're giving up mind control for "mind renewal." Big diff!

Romans 12
Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will.