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    How many Native Americans were directly killed by whites (and vice versa)?

    I know the indigenous population of the Americas was decimated when European settlers came. But I've also heard that most of those deaths were due to disease. Does anyone know how many deaths were a direct result of combat/murder/massacres? What about the number of whites killed by Native Americans? I'm assuming the number of deaths from black/native combat is small compared to white/native combat, but maybe I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stfoskey15 View Post
    I know the indigenous population of the Americas was decimated when European settlers came. But I've also heard that most of those deaths were due to disease. Does anyone know how many deaths were a direct result of combat/murder/massacres? What about the number of whites killed by Native Americans? I'm assuming the number of deaths from black/native combat is small compared to white/native combat, but maybe I'm wrong.
    Without any records no credible numbers can be ascertained just WAGs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stfoskey15 View Post
    I know the indigenous population of the Americas was decimated when European settlers came. But I've also heard that most of those deaths were due to disease. Does anyone know how many deaths were a direct result of combat/murder/massacres? What about the number of whites killed by Native Americans? I'm assuming the number of deaths from black/native combat is small compared to white/native combat, but maybe I'm wrong.
    Its hard to say. Their seems to be a high number related to small pox and other diseases, however at some point there is a high number due to refusal to convert to European religion/slavery. I need to look up the statistics or rather estimated statistics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catholicity View Post
    Its hard to say. Their seems to be a high number related to small pox and other diseases, however at some point there is a high number due to refusal to convert to European religion/slavery. I need to look up the statistics or rather estimated statistics.
    Considering that original population estimates vary wildly, the fact were covering several centuries, and casualty statistics weren't recorded any numbers are, as I said, going to be WAGs.

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    The traditional number is somewhere around 11 million, though there have been significant challenges to it in recent years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Without any records no credible numbers can be ascertained just WAGs.
    Killing off the Buffalo led to death of thousands if not Native American alone. Ethnic cleansing and eviction from their tribal home lands as Jackson did in Florida led to the death of even more thousands.

    The history of our relationship to the Native Americans preferred indirect methods like breaking existing treaties, providing small pox infected blankets, and destruction of resources, but some slaughter did in reality occur when confronted with resistance.
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    I know the 18th century or the Trail of tears would have the best estimate for the Cherokee Tribe. However Smallpox and other diseases would be especially hard to estimate on the Taino and Arawak tribes. Aztec tribes seem to have gone extinct by intermarrying and death however some small pockets of Mayan Natives appear to exist in small pockets especially in the Mountains of Mexico and Incan tribes exist in small pockets in South America. Other extinct tribes it seems to be disease and war and we don't know which was more predominant. And then of course intermarriage. I've manage to trace a large line to Cherokee Natives after the trail of tears from North Carolina to Alabama and some mananged to stay in North Carolina because of Appearance so they didn't have to go on the trail.
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    There are theories that the very early explorers released viruses into the Americas that wiped out a hundred million Indians.
    I've read these theories as explanations for the supposed remains of extensive irrigation systems and so forth.
    The idea is that the somewhat primitive Indians found later on were the remnant of a decimated civilization.
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