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Thread: How many Native Americans were directly killed by whites (and vice versa)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
    There are theories that the very early explorers released viruses into the Americas that wiped out a hundred million Indians.
    I've read these theories as explanations for the supposed remains of extensive irrigation systems and so forth.
    The idea is that the somewhat primitive Indians found later on were the remnant of a decimated civilization.
    Being isolated from the diseases that had swept Euroasia for centuries meant that the indigenous people had no immunity to them and were exposed to them all at once. When some settlers like the Pilgrims and Puritans came to the New World they were amazed how the land had been largely cleared and was perfect for cultivation and assumed that it was the result of God's providence. Little did they realize it was the result of natives who had recently been cultivating the land being exposed to diseases from much earlier explorers that spread across the continent from tribe to tribe.

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    This thread seems to imply the killing has stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trout View Post
    This thread seems to imply the killing has stopped.
    They keep breedin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trout View Post
    This thread seems to imply the killing has stopped.
    Just slowed down.
    I'm probably drive-by posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    providing small pox infected blankets
    This almost never actually happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    This almost never actually happened.
    There is one notorious incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
    There are theories that the very early explorers released viruses into the Americas that wiped out a hundred million Indians.
    I've read these theories as explanations for the supposed remains of extensive irrigation systems and so forth.
    The idea is that the somewhat primitive Indians found later on were the remnant of a decimated civilization.
    100 million is way too high. The current line of thinking on the "virgin soil epidemics" (seriously, that's what it's called) is that the American Indians were wiped out by plague prior to much European colonization of North America. For example, when the Pilgrims showed up in 1620, they found a series of deserted Indian villages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Without any records no credible numbers can be ascertained just WAGs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catholicity View Post
    Its hard to say. Their seems to be a high number related to small pox and other diseases, however at some point there is a high number due to refusal to convert to European religion/slavery. I need to look up the statistics or rather estimated statistics.
    I guess that makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by psstein View Post
    The traditional number is somewhere around 11 million, though there have been significant challenges to it in recent years.
    Do you know how that number was calculated, or was it just another WAG?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stfoskey15 View Post
    Do you know how that number was calculated, or was it just another WAG?
    It's been awhile since I actually did any reading or research in this area, but from what I can remember, it's based primarily on archeology and written records. When the Pilgrims reached near what is now Pawtucket, they found a very large Indian village that had been nearly wiped out by plague (which the Pilgrims quickly caught).

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    Quote Originally Posted by psstein View Post
    It's been awhile since I actually did any reading or research in this area, but from what I can remember, it's based primarily on archeology and written records. When the Pilgrims reached near what is now Pawtucket, they found a very large Indian village that had been nearly wiped out by plague (which the Pilgrims quickly caught).
    My old stomping grounds by the way. Man I miss RI. Teachers failed to mention that the Pilgrims came that far south or that an Indian village was located nearby. The major point of historical interest in that area that I can remember is the old Slater mill.

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