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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt seems The New York Times is so desperate to wash Obama's hands of this scandal that they've inadvertently thrown themselves under the bus!
So here's the set-up:
You see that? They call these "unproved claims". But here's the punchline (emphasis added):
Oops...
So it's not a question of if the Obama administration wiretapped Trump's communications, it's to what extent they did. And, of course, the obvious follow-up: What did Obama know, and when did he know it?
Beyond that, the problem now, which apparently Trump was just to ignorant to understand, is that if a FISA warrant was issued to wiretap Trump, then the FBI presented evidence to the court, and the FISA court agreed with the evidence, to the degree that the warrant was issued. So, Trump just put himself in a lose - lose situation. If it is true that a FISA warrant was issued, then there is evidence of collusion with the Russians, but, if there was no warrant issued, which apparently there was not, then Trump is either a complete ignoramus, or a blatant liar, the latter of which, of course, we already know to be a fact, and has now put himself in legal jeopardy.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostIf it is true that a FISA warrant was issued, then there is evidence of collusion with the Russians...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYou're a goof MM. The accussation "by Trump," with btw, no evidence to back it up, was that Obama had Trump himself wire tapped. Now of course if Trump actually had any evidence of this then surely he would make it known, but as is usual with Trump accussations, he has no evidence. And again, The Obama administration is not the FBI, is not the CIA, and is not the NSA, so if you are going to accuse the Obama administration of illegal activity then try being specific."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAre you really this ignorant?
What they leave out is how multiple federal prosecutors say is just how easy it is to get a FISA warrant (about as easy as getting a grand jury indictment[1]) and the fact that it took them two tries to get one is extremely telling.
Further, what is also getting left out of most coverage is that prior to June 2016, the Obama Department of Justice had contemplated conducting a criminal investigation of some of Trump's associates, and maybe even Trump himself, based on concerns about connections to Russian financial institutions. The preliminary examination revealed nothing criminal was going on which would almost always result in the case being shut down for lack of evidence. But instead of doing that Obama's Department of Justice decided to go on a fishing expedition and transformed it into a national-security investigation under FISA.
All indications are that they still found nothing untoward and with all the leaking going on we would know if they had found anything.
1. Bringing to mind the famous phrase coined by Sol Wachtler, chief judge of the New York State Court of Appeals as reported in the New York Daily News':
Wachtler, who became the state's top judge earlier this month, said district attorneys now have so much influence on grand juries that "by and large" they could get them to "indict a ham sandwich."
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhat they leave out is how multiple federal prosecutors say is just how easy it is to get a FISA warrant (about as easy as getting a grand jury indictment[1]) and the fact that it took them two tries to get one is extremely telling.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Starlight View Postwhether it might be possible to impeach Trump for this."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYou're quoting Breitbart support of Trump's paranoid tweets, when all indications are they they were based by Trump on Breitbart gossip in the first place. A tad circular, no?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostCircularity is MM's specialty. Each day he spends an hour walking in circles just to keep in practice. Then he spends the rest of the day indoctrinating himself with Breitbart, Limbaugh, and Hannity.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostOh, Limbaugh and Hannity as well? I had no idea MM was so widely read."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostYou're quoting Breitbart support of Trump's paranoid tweets, when all indications are they they were based by Trump on Breitbart gossip in the first place. A tad circular, no?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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