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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostFalse, dishonest, and biased selective and interpretation of the Bahai writings without considering the whole of scripture and the references I gave.
As per numerous previous threads over many years:For the spirit and the soul of Adam, when they were attached to the human world, passed from the world of freedom into the world of bondage, and His descendants continued in bondage. This attachment of the soul and spirit to the human world, which is sin, was inherited by the descendants of Adam, and is the serpent which is always in the midst of, and at enmity with, the spirits and the descendants of Adam. That enmity continues and endures. For attachment to the world has become the cause of the bondage of spirits, and this bondage is identical with sin, which has been transmitted from Adam to His posterity. It is because of this attachment that men have been deprived of essential spirituality and exalted position.
Know that there are two natures in man: the physical nature and the spiritual nature. The physical nature is inherited from Adam, and the spiritual nature is inherited from the Reality of the Word of God, which is the spirituality of Christ. The physical nature is born of Adam, but the spiritual nature is born from the bounty of the Holy Spirit. The first is the source of all imperfection; the second is the source of all perfection.
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/SAQ/saq-30.html
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/S...=highlight#gr2Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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The citations you reference only refer to the current cycle of Revelation beginning with Adam. Your ignoring the other references of the Baha'i writings, which describe cycle of Revelation in humanity ever since humanity became human hundreds of thousands of years in the past. In each Revelation our physical and spiritual nature is inherited from the Messiahs or Manifestations of God for that Age. You may not agree, but according to the Baha'i writings describe this as the spiritual evolution of humanity. In the Baha'i writings Creation is described as eternal and in cycles of re-Creation of previous existing matter, substances and energy, and not a specific beginning of anything including Adam being Created in a world without preexisting humans.
Your biased dishonest selective citation of the Baha'i writings has a long history of you methods of arguing on different subjects.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe citations you reference only refer to the current cycle of Revelation beginning with Adam. Your ignoring the other references of the Baha'i writings, which describe cycle of Revelation in humanity ever since humanity became human hundreds of thousands of years in the past. In each Revelation our physical and spiritual nature is inherited from the Messiahs or Manifestations of God for that Age. You may not agree, but according to the Baha'i writings describe this as the spiritual evolution of humanity. In the Baha'i writings Creation is described as eternal and in cycles of re-Creation of previous existing matter, substances and energy, and not a specific beginning of anything including Adam being Created in a world without preexisting humans.
Your biased dishonest selective citation of the Baha'i writings has a long history of you methods of arguing on different subjects.
"If being without a father is a virtue, Adam is greater and more excellent than all the Prophets and Messengers, for He had neither father nor mother." (Some Answered Questions, p. 89)
"O handmaid of God! It is with the Lord Christ even as with Adam. Did the first human being who came into existence on this earth have a father or mother? It is certain that he had neither. But Christ lacked only a father." (Selections from the Writings of 'Abdu'l-Baha 139:6)Last edited by seer; 03-23-2017, 10:38 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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