Mountain Meadows massacre ?

[Cow Poke]

This may sound odd to some...but we cannot know what scripture really says with simply our own intellect - it requires intimacy with Spirit, just as we cannot really know a person by reading about them. We must be intimate with them.

Viv

With all due respect, Viv...

Do the words on the page actually change relative to our individual perspectives?
What's there in "black and white" is still there, regardless of our own slant.

[Cow Poke]

Well, as you should know from history, sometimes people think they are doing right when they are doing wrong. You should know this from the history of Christians themselves.

But the Mormon Church is the only true church, and the only one with an actual living prophet, right? Should they screw up LESS than us poor lost apostates?

It doesn't justify it. Or do you think that it does?

Absolutely not.

It just goes to show that we Mormons should not be throwing stones at orthodox Christians because of their sordid past.

I have never defended "bad things" done in the name of the Lord by ANY group.

Telling innocent settlers that they had safe passage, then killing them in cold blood is a new low, OC.
You'd be best off just to agree it was a terrible thing, and move on.
No amount of equivocating is going to change the facts.

[Bill the Cat]

Show me the word "Polyethylene fiber" from the Bible.

That's Bible Code. You gotta look for it using the Bible Wheel!

[OtherCheek]

But the Mormon Church is the only true church, and the only one with an actual living prophet, right? Should they screw up LESS than us poor lost apostates?

But we aren't indwelt in the same way you believe that Christians are, and we are not excused by God for murder like you seem to think past Christians were. If I am wrong here, correct me.

[Cow Poke]

But we aren't indwelt in the same way you believe that Christians are, and we are not excused by God for murder like you seem to think past Christians were. If I am wrong here, correct me.

MMM was cold blooded murder by the "restored" Church.
The folks on the receiving end were not even combatants.
They were LIED to, believing their murderers had their backs.

[Bill the Cat]

CP,

Okay smarty, show me the word trinity in the Bible.

Right after you show us the word "incarnation".

[wonbyone]

If this doesn't speak for a blinding agenda, I don't know what will. Let me try and see if I can stoop so low.

Relative to the indwelt Christians who murdered millions of other indwelt Christians in the name of preserving Christianity...I would say that Peter was not that angry. He was angry that Ananias and his wife had brought such condemnation upon themselves. It's kind of like the reaction I have when my children make a bad choice. I still love them, but it makes me upset that they have chosen to bring bad consequences upon themselves. I'm certainly not dead-panned, or emotionless, and certainly not happy to see them choose the path that leads toward suffering.

How do you know that Peter wasn't sad instead of angry? I didn't see any exclamation marks in my Bible.

[wonbyone]

CP,

Okay smarty, show me the word trinity in the Bible. Any book, any chapter, any verse, any word; I'm not picky. Once you do that, your argument, and Sparko's argument, will hold reason.

God bless,

jo

Show me the word mormon!

[Sparko]

If this doesn't speak for a blinding agenda, I don't know what will. Let me try and see if I can stoop so low.

Relative to the indwelt Christians who murdered millions of other indwelt Christians in the name of preserving Christianity...I would say that Peter was not that angry. He was angry that Ananias and his wife had brought such condemnation upon themselves. It's kind of like the reaction I have when my children make a bad choice. I still love them, but it makes me upset that they have chosen to bring bad consequences upon themselves. I'm certainly not dead-panned, or emotionless, and certainly not happy to see them choose the path that leads toward suffering.

um, weren't you the one who was agreeing with us previously that Peter wasn't angry and did nothing wrong?

[Sparko]

show me the word "bible!" in the bible!

oh noes! the bible just imploded!

Jo, just admit you inferred that Peter was angry from the text, but the text doesn't actually say he was angry. Just like you inferred he actually did the killing using his priest power when the text doesn't actually say that.

It was a simple matter of eisogesis.

[OtherCheek]

um, weren't you the one who was agreeing with us previously that Peter wasn't angry and did nothing wrong?

I don't think Peter killed them. I think the Lord took their lives as is his right to do so when we break a sacred covenant. But I try to put myself in Peter's place. Have you ever tried that with anyone?

[Sparko]

I don't think Peter killed them. I think the Lord took their lives as is his right to do so when we break a sacred covenant.

exactly.

But I try to put myself in Peter's place. Have you ever tried that with anyone?

Identity theft? No. not me.

[OtherCheek]

exactly.



Identity theft? No. not me.

Unfortunately Peter wasn't rich, and so stealing his identity has not paid off for me that way. But it did get me across the border.

[Cow Poke]

But we aren't indwelt in the same way you believe that Christians are,.....

Boy! This could be a whole new topic!

[jo7241974]

You'll have to argue with somebody who actually made that claim, Jo.
I never did.

Please feel free to try again.

Watch out, CP. If you don't hold to the trinity, Tweb will make you change your religion from Christian to "Other". You cannot be an Orthodox Christian and NOT accept the trinity. That's the Biggy Essential. So, for your own sake you need to be able to defend your position. If you claim to be Orthodox, you need to know what page you can find the word trinity on in the Bible. Quick, before any of the other Moderators notice. They will teach you that you are not saved. Soon you will be instructed to repent and accept the Real Jesus.

God bless,

jo