Pope Francis: Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

[Leonhard]

Ultimately, whether two different religions worship the 'same god' isn't an issue that the Bible even discusses, or cares about. The Bible lays out plenty of things that God really does care about: He cares about whether we obey his law. Muslims don't even believe in the law, as laid out in the Bible; they think it is corrupted, that we are supposed to cut off people's hands for stealing, etc. Muslims worship God but they do it very badly. Muslims are like the Samaritan (Northern) Israelite kingdom that set up two golden calves, and had the people worship those as God. Whether they were worshipping the same "God" or not was never the issue; the issue was that they were disobeying God's commandment against idols (in addition to disregarding the real temple, tolerating Baal, and doing other major sins).

Exactly.

[Leonhard]

Not if I believed the fundamental nature of George Washington was black woman in disguise. Who lived a lie and enjoyed fooling the country because she was evil, and had secret plans with the Illuminati to start an underground society of Free Masons who rule the world and control all the banks.

I think we'll have to disagree vis-a-vis the utility of the analogy. I see your point, but I don't think it's sufficient to say that they're worshipping a different God entirely, rather than worshipping God but beliving false things about Him.

I don't see a way for you to claim at all that after Jesus, Jews were still worshipping God. The moment they rejected Christ, they implicitly rejected the Second Person of the Trinity.

[mossrose]

So who are you addressing in this thread?

Just making a general statement. Not pointing fingers at anybody.

[Leonhard]

Just making a general statement. Not pointing fingers at anybody.

I've been misreading people a lot lately. Oi.

[mossrose]

I've been misreading people a lot lately. Oi.

We still love you.

[Bisto]

Actually, as long as they believe that George Washington was the first president of the United States of America, that he served from 1789 to 1797, crossed the River Delaware, defeated the British armies at Trenton and Princeton, retook New Jersey. That he was opposed to dictatorship and was an avowed Republican. Presided over the Constitutional Convention in 1789. Secured the Jay Treaty in 1795. Died in 1799.

If they believed in all those things, then when you refer to George Washington, regarding that period, and they're referring to George Washington, regarding that period, then you're undoubtedly referring to the same person.

Is that the one who could hack off a tree with one swing of his axe and fought vampires? Or was that another American dude?

[Ana Dragule]

This so called one who is being worshiped as god by human beings born in Islamic faith has no image nor looks like a man or female as per their scripture and as per islamic followers. So it cannot have a color.

Christian God is father son and holy spirit. If you consider the color of jews and greeks to be white than the skin texture of heavenly father is white if you dont it is not.

A brown god would be Hindu.

[Rushing Jaws]

[2 snips]

While I agree with this to a degree, again, a skeptic too could look at the Christian past and point out that there were plenty of periods where Christians have not always been peaceful, honest, or loving, and they can point to passages in, say, the Old Testament as evidence that Christian behavior is modeled after God. They may be able to find Islamic nations that are peaceful (they exist), or look back into history where Islamic nations ruled in relative peace.

To be clear, I'm not saying they are right, but we have be on guard that we don't find ourselves using the same tired old skeptical arguments that are used against us. We have to be better than that.

The answer to that objection, is that the faults of Christians are contrary to their canonical texts, whereas jihad and fighting unbelievers and the deceitfulness of allah are all commanded in, or appear in, the Koran. Muslims *obey* allah when they go on jihad and kill unbelievers and apostates - whereas Christians are not carrying out a NT command when they do so. The objection is based on a false equivalence.