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  • #76
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    Well that is because it is not "my" logic. It is the logic of John Martin, as it really is if his original claims are correct. It would help if you actually read the thread.
    No, it was your logic. You wrote it, so you own it.

    JM

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    • #77
      Originally posted by JohnMartin View Post
      There is no evidence that any passage uses faith as an instrument as the reformers taught. Hence passages such as Ephesians 2:8-9 do not provide any evidence for faith alone theology.
      That's a nice circle you made with that argument.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by JohnMartin View Post
        Faith is always organically united to hope and love in justification. Faith is a habit whereby a man believes what God has said. Hope is a habit whereby a man desires the good promised by God, as known by faith. And love is a habit which desires God above all creatures as the ultimate end of man. Hope and love naturally follow from faith. Hence faith alone theology is always false.

        Even St Paul defined faith in terms of hope in Heb 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
        Hebrews 11:1, Faith is indeed the substance of hope. And faith is evidence of the unseen. That does not undo the promise of God saving men through the vehicle of faith without the merit of works. Grace is unmerited favor. Where as works are to merit the favor.
        ". . . if grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. . . ." -- Romans 11:6. ". . . But to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. . . ." -- Romans 4:4-5. Again, this is a promise before works. Faith alone in God's grace alone is understood by those who are truely justified without works is to precede the God ordained works which are to follow.
        Also faith without love is worthless, indicating faith must be united to love to give life. 1 Cor 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
        Because love is an evidence of being already justified: " . . . and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God." -- 1 John 4:7. ". . . Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . ." -- 1 John 5:1.
        Evidently the biblical position is faith is never alone, but is united to hope and love. Faith alone theology is merely the invention of a renegade monk who couldn't keep his vows, so he reduced justification down to faith alone.
        Jesus will say to those trusting in their good works, "I never knew you: . . . ye that work iniquity." -- Matthew 7:21-23.

        Do you not understand, ". . . the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord?" -- Romans 6:23. That no amount of works will make the payment of death. God had His Christ do that on our behalf, ". . . For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." -- 2 Corinthians 5:21.

        To try to merit God's gift with works is like a sorcerer trying to buy it with money (Acts 8:20).
        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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