Are You A Good Man....

[Starlight]

And, for a social species such as us, the benefits of being part of an altruistic group greatly outweigh the benefits of individualism.

It's almost like whether a person is "altruistic" vs "individualistic" is something we might be interested in and want to think about and talk about, and almost like we might decide to use the term "morality" to talk about whether behaviors were altruistic or not.

But seer can't cope with the fact that it's just that simple.

[seer]

One only has to read from Hitler's own writings to realise that he believed strongly in God and that his God equalled the same God of the Christian Bible. So did the Salem witch burners and the Dominican Monks of the Inquisition and the Crusaders who sacked, raped and pillaged Christian Constantinople and the American slave traders. God generally possesses the same values of those who proclaim him. This is not surprising given that God is made in Man's image.

Oh stop! Show me the teachings of Christ that any of them were following. And if your determinism is correct they were only doing what the laws of nature dictate that they do. All perfectly natural.

[seer]

It's almost like whether a person is "altruistic" vs "individualistic" is something we might be interested in and want to think about and talk about, and almost like we might decide to use the term "morality" to talk about whether behaviors were altruistic or not.

But seer can't cope with the fact that it's just that simple.

Yes and you can kill a living child and call it altruistic. I'm sure that the Maoist and Stalinist believed they were serving the greater good! Your definitions are arbitrary and therefore meaningless.

[seer]

Doesn't seem to be working out too well for Trump.

But, cynicism aside, the "do unto others" Golden Rule has been a universal aspiration throughout human history, because it embodies the natural instincts for reciprocal altruism essential for the building more cooperative groups. And, for a social species such as us, the benefits of being part of an altruistic group greatly outweigh the benefits of individualism.

Again, selfishness and dominance and control have equally been with us throughout human history. Like the higher primates that you so love, most human beings have lived under totalitarian for most of our history. And most of the world still does. And that too is perfectly natural.

[Sparko]

Doesn't seem to be working out too well for Trump.

But, cynicism aside, the "do unto others" Golden Rule has been a universal aspiration throughout human history, because it embodies the natural instincts for reciprocal altruism essential for the building more cooperative groups. And, for a social species such as us, the benefits of being part of an altruistic group greatly outweigh the benefits of individualism.

yes the same natural altruism and instincts that have caused man to steal, maim, rape, and kill his fellow man for as long as there have been men. War after war, because we want to cooperate and benefit our fellow man.

[shunyadragon]

Yes and you can kill a living child and call it altruistic. I'm sure that the Maoist and Stalinist believed they were serving the greater good! Your definitions are arbitrary and therefore meaningless.

I am sure, by the evidence, Christians do this frequently documented in history of being human. It is part of the natural history, which you object to irrationally, and with a combative illogical and dishonest monologue on every topic, and changing the topic with rants of blue smoke and mirrors, with a dose of phony trivial black and white claims of aboslute truth.

[Tassman]

yes the same natural altruism and instincts that have caused man to steal, maim, rape, and kill his fellow man for as long as there have been men. War after war, because we want to cooperate and benefit our fellow man.

The mere fact that we recognise these things as being bad and take action to remedy such antisocial activity indicates that we aspire to greater social harmony.

[seer]

I am sure, by the evidence, Christians do this frequently documented in history of being human. It is part of the natural history, which you object to irrationally, and with a combative illogical and dishonest monologue on every topic, and changing the topic with rants of blue smoke and mirrors, with a dose of phony trivial black and white claims of aboslute truth.

Again you are lying. Where EXACTLY have I been dishonest? Star claims to be altruistic, and that that is his governing moral principle. Yet he supports the killing of born children. Does that make sense to you?

[shunyadragon]

Again you are lying. Where EXACTLY have I been dishonest? Star claims to be altruistic, and that that is his governing moral principle. Yet he supports the killing of born children. Does that make sense to you?

Your history seer, your history is biased, selective to justify your agenda, aggressive one sided. Hebrews supported the killing of children when it suited them, does that make sense?

[Sparko]

The mere fact that we recognise these things as being bad and take action to remedy such antisocial activity indicates that we aspire to greater social harmony.

I am sure the people who did those things did not think they were bad, did they? Like the Nazis, they thought they were doing good.

[seer]

Your history seer, your history is biased, selective to justify your agenda, aggressive one sided. Hebrews supported the killing of children when it suited them, does that make sense?

You mean like Moses one of Bahai's Manifestations? And I'm not claiming altruism as a governing moral principle, while supporting infanticide.

[shunyadragon]

You mean like Moses one of Bahai's Manifestations? And I'm not claiming altruism as a governing moral principle, while supporting infanticide.

No, like Hebrews justifying their acts believing they were doing the righteous will of God. Just because someone advocates killing children is good does not make it good regardless.

[Sparko]

Just because someone advocates killing children is good does not make it good regardless.

Tell that to Planned Parenthood.

[seer]

Just because someone advocates killing children is good does not make it good regardless.

You mean like Star?

No, like Hebrews justifying their acts believing they were doing the righteous will of God

But if God actually ordered it, it would be righteous.

[shunyadragon]

You mean like Star?

. . . or anyone.

But if God actually ordered it, it would be righteous.

But, but, but . . . there is where we have a problem here.